6 Rucking Workouts That Significantly Improve Your Conditioning (Training with a Ruck Series Part 1 of 3)


Some ruckers use their ruck the same way every time: same route, same pace, same weight.
And while long rucks are great for endurance and general health, they are only one piece of what a ruck can do for your fitness.
In this episode of The Rucker’s Edge Podcast, Spencer breaks down six conditioning methods that can dramatically improve your cardiovascular fitness, work capacity, and overall performance using only a ruck and the environment around you.
You’ll learn:
- How to use intervals with a ruck
- Why hill repeats are brutally effective
- How stadium workouts build conditioning fast
- What EMOMs are and how to apply them to rucking
- How to structure ruck circuits
- Why pace work matters for improving fitness
This episode also kicks off a three-part series exploring different ways to use a ruck beyond the standard long-distance walk.
Whether you’re training for better fitness, fat loss, GORUCK events, or simply trying to get more from your rucking routine, this episode gives you practical workouts you can start using immediately.
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Notes:
- Music Credit: “Play This Game” by Black Rhomb.
- I'm not a doctor, and this podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only. Please consult with your physician before starting any new exercise or physical activity.
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If you think conditioning means lacing up your
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running shoes or suffering through a HIIT class,
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I want to challenge that idea today. Because
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your rut can build serious work capacity. spike
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your heart rate, and push your conditioning in
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ways most people have never tried. And you don't
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have to run a single mile to get there. A lot
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of people who ruck are walking the same route,
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same pace, with the same weight every single
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week. And that's fine. Walking with a loaded
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pack is genuinely good for you, as we all know.
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But if your goal includes building real conditioning,
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improving your cardiovascular capacity, or just
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getting more out of the time you're already putting
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in, there's a lot more you can be doing with
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a ruck on your back. Today, I'm going to walk
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you through six conditioning methods you can
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do with your ruck. By the end of this episode,
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you'll know exactly how to use each one, when
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to use them, and how to build them into what
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you're already doing. This is also episode one
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of a three -part series I'm doing on different
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ways to use your ruck beyond just the standard
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long ruck. Next week, we're covering strength
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training with a ruck. And the week after that,
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we're going into endurance and adventure style
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rucking. So if you've been in a rucking rut,
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stick around. This series is for you. This is
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the Rutgers Edge podcast, a show all about rucking
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that is designed to help you improve your rucking
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routine, lose weight, and ultimately gain your
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strength and energy back. Each episode dives
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into the science, stories, and strategies behind
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rucking. You'll learn from top ruckers, coaches,
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health experts, and performance specialists who
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break down what it takes to train smarter, recover
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faster, and stay ready for the next challenge.
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So whether you're new to rucking or an experienced
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rucker that's already logged hundreds of miles,
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this is the show for you. I'm your host, Spencer.
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Thanks for tuning in. All right, let's get into
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it. So here's where this series came from. When
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I first started rucking, I was in terrible shape.
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Many years of neglecting my fitness left the
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muscles in my legs, core, and back very weak.
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But after a few months of rucking, I started
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seeing some development. So I started progressing.
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I started adding more weight. I started feeling
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like I was building a strong foundation. While
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the long rucks I was doing was building some
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leg, core, and back muscles, I realized my conditioning
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was progressing much slower. To improve my conditioning,
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I considered starting to run, but decided with
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all my ankle issues, it's probably not the best
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idea just yet. To improve my upper body and core
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strength, I considered joining a gym, but looking
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at the prices, I remembered why I started rucking
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in the first place. Rucking is inexpensive and
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easily accessible. That's when it hit me. Mix
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it up. Use the ruck to improve my conditioning
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and upper body strength. Stop only going on long
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rucks and start doing conditioning workouts.
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Don't join a gym. Use the ruck and sandbag to
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develop upper body strength. Remembering that
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internal thought process is basically what sparked
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this series because the most common way people
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ruck is sort of what I did. To pick a distance,
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load up the ruck, and go for a walk. Maybe they'll
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try to beat their time from last week. Maybe
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they'll add a little weight every few weeks.
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And again, that approach totally works. It produces
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real results, but it's one dimension of what
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a ruck can do for you. And most people don't
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really explore beyond that. So this three -part
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series is about expanding your rucking toolkit.
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Today, in part one of the series, we're talking
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about conditioning. Before I get into the specific
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methods though of conditioning, I want to spend
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a few minutes on intensity because this is where
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people make mistakes in both directions. Some
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people ruck and never push. They keep it comfortable
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the whole time, which is fine for recovery days
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and long endurance rucks, but it's not really
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conditioning work. Conditioning requires you
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to get uncomfortable. Your heart rate needs to
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climb. You need to be working hard. On the other
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end, some people go too hard, too fast with too
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much weight, and they end up sore, beat, or nursing
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an overuse injury after a few weeks. The goal
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with conditioning is what coaches sometimes call
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capacity. And work capacity is essentially your
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body's ability to do more work over time, sustain
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a higher level of effort, and recover between
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efforts much faster. Building it takes consistency
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and progression. It doesn't happen in just one
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brutal session. So when I talk about intensity
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today, I want you to think in terms of a simple
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1 to 10 scale. 1 is a stroll. 10 is an all -out
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sprint where you're barely holding it together.
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For conditioning work with a ruck, most of your
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effort is going to live between 6 and an 8. High
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enough that you're working, not so high that
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you're redlining every session. The other thing
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I want you to keep in mind is weight selection.
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When you're using your ruck for conditioning,
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the weight isn't always the main variable. Sometimes
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the intensity comes from the pace, the incline,
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or the structure of the workout. Loading your
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pack too heavy can limit your ability to move
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fast enough to actually get the conditioning
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benefit. So for most of the methods I'm going
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to cover today, I'd recommend starting with a
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lighter load than you might be used to for those
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long endurance rucks. 20 to 30 pounds is a very
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reasonable starting point for most people. You
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can always add from there. And lastly, before
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jumping in, it's always worth pointing out that
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I am not a doctor. I'm just a guy who talks about
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rucking and has spent a lot of time learning
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about how to train smarter with a pack on his
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back. But I don't know your health history, your
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injury history, your current fitness level, or
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what your body is dealing with right now. Some
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of these conditioning methods are genuinely demanding.
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And if you have any... underlying health conditions,
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cardiovascular concerns, joint issues, or anything
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else that might be relevant, please talk to your
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doctor before you start adding structured conditioning
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workouts to your routine. I mean, the last thing
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that I want for you is to push too hard and too
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fast and you end up getting hurt. All right,
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now let's get into the six conditioning methods
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you can do with a Ruck. The first one is intervals,
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and this is probably the most familiar concept
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for anyone who's done any kind of structured
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cardio training before, and it's certainly my
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favorite of the bunch. I credit my cross -country
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coach going out for this one. During cross -country
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practices, we do these interval training workouts
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in the forest. We just had to stay close enough
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to hear his whistle. He let us pick any route
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or trail that we wanted for these interval trainings.
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And that was always a treat because for all the
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other practices, we always ran the same three
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mile loop over and over again, which got kind
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of boring. So picking our own route was a treat.
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And I realize now why he did that, because the
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interval training was intense. So he was trying
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to make it just a little bit better in any way
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that he could. But he let us choose any route
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we wanted. Just jog for the first minute or so.
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Then he would blow his whistle indicating that
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it was time to sprint. We'd sprint for a few
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seconds and then we'd go back down to jogging
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until he blew his whistle again and so on and
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so on. So the idea of intervals is pretty simple.
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You alternate between periods of higher effort
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and lower effort. You go hard, then you back
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off and recover a little bit. Your heart rate
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jumps back down and then you go hard again. With
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a ruck on your back, intervals look a little
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different than they do on a track. So, I mean,
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you're not sprinting. You're working with a certain
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pace and a distance. A typical work interval
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session might look something like this. You walk
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or shuffle at a fast pace for two to three minutes,
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meaning you're pushing it maybe a 15 to 16 minute
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per mile pace, depending on your fitness level
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and the load you're carrying. Then you slow down
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for 90 seconds to two minutes and let your heart
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rate come back down. And then you push again.
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You can structure this by time or distance. If
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you're on a track or a path with clear landmarks,
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distance works really well. You push hard for
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a quarter mile, recover for an eighth of a mile,
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and repeat. If you're out in the field or in
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a neighborhood with less clear distance markers,
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the timer on your watch works just fine. That's
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actually what I use. A lot of fitness trackers
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allow you to create your own workout. I programmed
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on my Garmin watch a program for me to push hard
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for a minute and back off for two to three minutes.
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The number of intervals depends on your fitness
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level. Beginners might start with four to six
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rounds. More experienced trackers can work their
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way up to 10 to 12. What you're looking for over
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time is that your push pace gets faster, your
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recovery time gets shorter, and your heart rate
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drops back down quicker between efforts. One
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thing I want to flag with intervals is the temptation
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to go too hard on the first few rounds. It's
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really easy to go out at a pace that you can't
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constrain and then completely die in the middle
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of the session. You know that feeling. You charge
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out of the gate. By round four, you're just shuffling
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along pretending like you're still trying. Save
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some for the back half. The best interval sessions
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are ones where you're pushing just as hard in
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round eight as you were in round two. Also, intervals
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don't have to mean running. I know I already
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said that, but I want to be specific here. Fast
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walking with a ruck is genuine work. If you're
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moving at a pace that's pushing your heart rate
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into the mid to upper zone, if you're loaded
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with 25 or 30 pounds, you're already doing conditioning
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work. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
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Next up, conditioning workout number two, hill
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repeats. And this is another fun one. During
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hill repeats, the incline does a lot of the work
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for you in terms of driving your heart rate up
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without requiring you to move at extreme pace.
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Hill repeats are exactly what they sound like.
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You find a hill, you ruck up it, and you walk
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back down. And then you do it over again and
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again. The structure is simple. The execution
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is brutal if you choose the right hill though.
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Here's what makes hill repeats effective for
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conditioning. When you add incline, Your cardiovascular
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demand goes up significantly, even at the same
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walking pace. Your glutes, your hamstrings, and
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calves, they're all working harder. Your core
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is working harder to keep you upright, and because
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you're coming back down at a slower pace, you
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protect your knees and ankles. And then during
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that time, you get built -in active recovery
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between those efforts. For the descent, go slower
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than you think you need to. Going downhill with
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a loaded ruck puts real stress on your knees,
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especially over multiple rounds. So control the
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descent, let your heart rate drop, and use it
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as a recovery window. In terms of volume, something
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like 6 to 10 repeats is a solid conditioning
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session, but track how you feel at the top of
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each climb. By the end, you should feel like
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you've earned it. Hill repeats are also one of
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the best tools for people who live in areas where
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flat terrain is the only option most of the time
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because a single good hill gives you an entire
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conditioning session. You don't need a lot of...
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geography for this you just need one decent incline
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and willingness to go up and down a few times
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okay workout number three stadiums this one is
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a little more situation specific but if you have
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access to a stadium or at least bleachers stadium
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rucking is one of the best conditioning workouts
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you can do the concept is the same as hill repeats
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but instead of natural terrain you're going up
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and down rows of stairs or bleacher steps the
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advantage is that stairs produce a higher step
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height than most hills so the demand on your
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legs and your cardiovascular system per step
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is higher. A stadium workout with a rut can be
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structured a few different ways. You can go straight
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up and straight down as you repeat. You can go
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across the row and down working your way around
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the stadium. You can set a time goal and just
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accumulate floors or you can combine stadiums
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with flat walking by doing a lap of the track
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between stadium climbs which makes it more circuit
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style situation. Now, accessibility is the obvious
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variable here. It's worth checking out what's
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available in your area if you have a stadium
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or if you just have bleachers in a park. Even
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a small set of bleachers with five or six rows
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can produce a solid conditioning workout if you're
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doing enough rounds. If stadiums aren't accessible
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to you, any set of stairs works. You can go to
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a parking garage, multi -story building you have
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access to, or outdoor stairs at the park. The
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principle is the same regardless of the specific
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condition. Before we discuss the last two workouts
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on my list, I want to take a quick break to ask
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you to share this episode with a fellow rucker
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that might have expressed interest in doing additional
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workouts with their ruck, other than the long
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ruck on the weekends. Sharing this episode not
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only helps the show grow, but it helps more people
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improve their fitness and their lives. Thanks.
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All right. Conditioning workout number four,
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EMOMS. All right. This next one is a little different
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from the previous three because it brings some
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structure that you might recognize from CrossFit
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or structured strength training. It translates
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really well to rucking based conditioning. EMOM
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stands for every minute on the minute. The concept
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is that at the start of every minute, you perform
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a set task. Whatever time is left after you complete
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that task is your rest. Then when the next minute
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starts, you go again. With a ruck, EMOMs can
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work a couple of different ways. The first way
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is movement based. Every minute you walk. or
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ruck a set distance as fast as possible. So let's
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say your goal is to ruck 100 meters within a
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minute. If it takes you 45 seconds to get 15
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seconds of rest before the next minute starts.
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As you get fitter, covering that distance takes
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less time and you end up with more rest. Or you
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can tighten the distance target to keep the rest
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period shorter. The second way is to combine
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rucking with non -rucking movements. This is
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where it starts to look a little bit more like
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a circuit, which I'll cover separately in the
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next section. But something like minute one,
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you're rucking at max speed. Minute two, you're
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doing ruck push -ups or squats alternating between
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the two for a set number of rounds. One thing
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I want to mention about EMOMs and really with
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all these methods that I'm discussing today is
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that the ruck weight needs to make sense for
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the task. If the goal is to cover ground quickly
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within a time window, a lighter load is going
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to allow you to actually move. Use a weight that
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lets you move well and still push the pace. You
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can always add weight once the movement pattern
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is solid. Okay, conditioning workout number five,
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circuits. Circuits are another format that transfer
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really well to ruck based conditioning and they're
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probably the most flexible in everything I'm
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covering today in terms of how you structure
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them. A ruck circuit is basically a sequence
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of exercises or tasks you complete back to back
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with minimal rest. The ruck stays on your back
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for most or all of them and the variety of movements
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keeps the stimulus fresh and keeps different
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muscle groups working through the session. A
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simple example of a ruck circuit might look like
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this. You start with a 400 meter ruck walk at
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a solid pace. Then you stop and do 15 ruck squats.
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And then you do 10 ruck pushups. Then you do
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a farmer's carry style walk where you're holding
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the ruck out in front of you or overhead for
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20 meters. And then you start the 400 meter walk
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again. You repeat that. four to six rounds. What
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makes circuits effective for conditioning is
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the density of the work. You're moving continuously
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with very little downtime. And because you're
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switching between different demands, different
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muscle groups, you stay fresher longer, even
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with your cardiovascular system stays elevated.
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Over the course of the circuit, you're accumulating
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a lot of work in a relatively short period of
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time. For people who don't like doing the same
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thing for a long time, circuits are probably
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the most engaging format on this list. There's
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enough variety that the mental load stays lower
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even as physical demands stays high. And the
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sixth one, the last one on our list today is
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pace work. Pace work is exactly what it sounds
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like. You pick a target pace and you hold it
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consistently for a set distance. There are no
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intervals, no rest breaks. You're just locked
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in a pace and you're sustaining it. The reason
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this matters for conditioning is that a lot of
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ruckers have a pace problem. There are other
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ruckers like me. I suffer from staying on pace
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significantly. We go out fast, we slow down in
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the middle, and maybe pick it back up at the
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end if we're feeling good. Or conversely, they
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walk at a comfortable conversational pace for
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the whole time without really pushing it or creating
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productive work. Neither of those approaches
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builds the kind of steady state cardiovascular
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capacity that translates to better performance
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over time, and I think that's what I was suffering
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when I first started rucking. when I wasn't really
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seeing a difference in my conditioning changing.
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Pace work trains you to sustain a specific effort
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level and it teaches your body to be efficient
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at that pace. So over time, a pace that used
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to feel hard starts to become manageable. A GPS
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watch or a phone app that tracks your pace in
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real time is really useful for this. You can
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see when you're drifting above or below your
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target and adjust. So over time, you start to
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develop a sense of what different paces feel
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like, and you won't need to look at your watch
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as often. And lastly, on pace work, it pairs
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really well with the intervals concept I covered
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earlier. You might spend the first couple of
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months doing interval style workout to build
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your ceiling, then introduce more pace work to
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extend how long you can hold your effort near
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that ceiling. Those two methods together cover
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a lot of the conditioning spectrum. Okay, so
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I've just thrown six conditioning methods at
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you. I want to zoom out for a second here before
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I wrap this up because I think there's a bigger
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idea worth talking about here. I think conditioning
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is often the missing piece for us ruckers who
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feel stuck. We're building our endurance by going
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long, which is great, but we're not building
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our work capacity. The conditioning methods I
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covered today are how we can develop that side
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of our fitness. And what I love about doing this
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with a ruck is that it's sustainable. We're not
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pounding our joints with high impact running.
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We're not doing exercises that require a gym
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full of equipment. We're using one piece of gear
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that we probably already own in whatever outdoor
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environment we have access to. And we're getting
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genuinely high quality conditioning sessions.
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The last thing I want to say about conditioning
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is that conditioning built through rucking transfers.
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If you ever do want to run a stronger cardiovascular
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base from ruck conditioning will make it easier.
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If you're preparing for a go -ruck event or any
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kind of physical challenge, this kind of conditioning
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work is directly relevant. And if your goals
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are just to feel better, have more energy, and
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capable of more in your daily life, work capacity
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built through structured rucking is exactly the
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kind of fitness that shows up in real life. I'm
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talking all the grocery bags from the car to
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the house in one go. All the luggage up the stairs
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at the Airbnb on summer vacation in one go. All
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right, let me... quickly recap the six conditioning
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methods we discussed today. The first one was
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intervals. The second, hill repeats. The third
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were stadiums. The fourth, EMOMs. Fifth, circuits.
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And sixth, pace work. Pick one or two of those
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to start with and build consistency before building
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complexity. Add weight and volume gradually and
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remember that intensity, not just load, is the
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main driver of conditioning adaptation with a
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rug. Next week in part two of this series, we're
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joined by Frontline Athletic founder Drew Snary.
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We'll talk about strength training workouts you
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can do with a ruck. So make sure you're subscribed
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to the show on whatever podcast app you're using
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right now so you don't miss it. All right, that's
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it for today. I'll see you next week for part
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two. Thanks for listening to this episode of
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The Rucker's Edge.