Finding Purpose and Resilience Through Green Beret Fitness

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Have you ever been miles deep into a ruck and

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found yourself reflecting on a recent decision

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you've made or a conversation you've had? You

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probably started off focused on the pack, the

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pace, and the route ahead. But somewhere in between

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mile four and mile eight, your body locked into

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a rhythm and your mind drifted somewhere else.

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Well, today's guest built an entire philosophy

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around that transformation, and he documented

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on a blog that he calls Carving Trails. Today,

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I'm joined by Clint Carr from carvingtrails .com.

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He's a guy who went from working 60 -hour work

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weeks with little to no time to take care of

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his physical or mental health to wrecking his

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way through some of the toughest endurance events

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out there with Green Beret Fitness. We talk about

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how those brutal miles and sleepless nights led

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to self -discovery, purpose, and his personal

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code, what he calls the Seeker's Oath. In this

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episode, you'll learn what Greenbrae fitness

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events are like, how Clint trains his body and

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mind for 24 -hour mountain challenges, and why

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chasing growth through rucking might just change

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the way you approach life. You're listening to

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the Rucker's Edge podcast, a show all about rucking

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that is designed to help you improve your rucking

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routine, lose weight, and ultimately gain your

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strength and energy back. Each episode dives

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into the science, stories, and strategies behind

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rucking. You'll learn from top ruckers, coaches,

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nutrition experts, and performance specialists

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who break down what it takes to train smarter,

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recover faster, and stay ready for the next challenge.

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So whether you're new to rucking or an experienced

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rucker that's already logged hundreds of miles,

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this is the show for you. I'm your host Spencer.

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Thanks for listening in. Clint has some really

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profound things to say, and I'm happy to share

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this episode with you. All right. Here's my conversation

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with Clint Carr. Clint, thanks for joining us

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today. I'm really happy you're here. Great to

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be here, Spencer. I'm looking forward to what

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you have for questions, what you want to learn

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from me on my journey, and I'm looking forward

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to sharing it all. Great. Now that sounds excellent.

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Now you have some extensive experience in Green

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Beret Fitness and I have so many questions that

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I want to learn from you. I guess we'll just

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start, you know, for listeners who might not

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be familiar with Green Beret Fitness, could you

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briefly describe it? Yeah, definitely. Green

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Beret Fitness, often referred to as GBF, is one

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of these event companies similar to Go Ruck,

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but not quite like Go Ruck. Green Beret Fitness

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is more like an individual -type event company,

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and they're broken up into a few different divisions.

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The mountain division is the one that I'm most

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familiar with and something that really I believe

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in and what we do there. endure and training

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which is some gym based workouts 12 hour and

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24 hour events and that's continued everything

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here is continuing to evolve which is great um

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there's also tactical and then also something

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that i the last one is something that greg greg

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is the owner greg really believes in is giving

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back and he has a Great love for dogs in particular.

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And another thing that we do called Operation

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Theo is giving toys to children at hospitals.

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We don't give them directly to the children,

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but we deliver those to the hospital and the

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hospital would distribute them. Wow. So that's

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the, yeah, it's really a great company that has.

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All kinds of different facets and things. And

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the more I spend time with Greg, the owner, obviously

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we've become friends at so many events. I just

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believe in what he's doing. That's awesome. And

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did I see correctly that Operation Theo just

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concluded just recently for this year? Yeah,

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the Washington one just finished. That was this

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last weekend. So they're all across the nation?

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Yeah, we've got Virginia and Florida, I believe

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Ohio as well. And then there's some others that

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we've been working on trying to get launched.

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And I believe those are happening within the

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next couple weeks. That's great. Wow. It's really

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nice to hear, you know, these types of communities

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given back to the overall community where y 'all

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live. That's really cool. So how did you first

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come across GBF, I guess? And what about it caught

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your attention? You know, Seattle Ruck Club was

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a ruck club that I found by accident on my way

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to this journey because I was looking for other

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people that were actually out there rucking.

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And so I joined one of their rucks that I found

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through Facebook and met some of those guys,

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which happened to be after a go -ruck light.

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I did a triple light in May of 23. I don't know

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if any of the Seattle Ruck Club guys were there.

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But long story short, I got to talking to those

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guys through social media. Chris is Chris Ruck.

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Ruck is not his last name, but I don't know him

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any other different. Yeah. And Brandon is another

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guy. Those two operate. Seattle Ruck Club. And

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in the buzz, we were talking about a different

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event, a local 25K ruck. So I joined them actually

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on that 25K ruck. And that was through some smaller

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mountains over here in Washington on the peninsula.

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We finished that as a team, which was great.

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A lot of camaraderie, met some really good people

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through that event. And we moved over towards

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what's next, right? And so I'm always looking

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to everybody that I come across, what's next?

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What are you doing? And Chris had mentioned one

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of the GBF events, Operation Iron Peak. And when

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he mentioned it to me, this event seemed like

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crazy. I heard navigation through the mountains.

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And to me, What that meant was, you know, orienteering

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through a mountain, something I didn't have any

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experience with, which was concerning. So I don't

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know, a week or two passed after that. And I

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actually went to the Green Beret Fitness website,

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looked up Iron Peak, and it was written similar

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to some of the other events where I'd done where

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you have a list of required gear that you need

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to carry with, a minimum weight. And then what

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I did find out is that it was an actual course

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on trails. So at that point, when I figured out

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it was on trails and not orienteering through

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a mountain, that's when I signed up. Cool. Here

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in Louisiana, we don't have the luxury of going

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through mountains, but that's something that

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I would like to do. And I think that's the most

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appealing to me in terms of Green Beret Fitness

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and all the events. Not all of them, maybe, but

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most of them seem to be through some sort of

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mountain landscape. I remember seeing on your

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blog post, you posted a few photos from you doing

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Iron Mountain. You're at the peak and it just

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looks so beautiful. That's such a great reward.

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But I wanted to ask you, what was your life like

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before finding GBF? What were you looking for

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at that point in your journey? You know, I had

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thought. that the right thing in the in this

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world to do was just work hard that was the discipline

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my dad brought me up with as he was a marine

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and so I thought my purpose was to go to work

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every day do the best that I could climb the

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ladder make lots of money and then that was the

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key I was to that point right I was kind of the

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top and what really got me involved with rucking

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was the fact that I took a chance on a business

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opportunity and failed wildly and when I say

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failed wildly we're talking about excess of a

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million dollars lost lost my house and so I was

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I was faced with you know restarting based on

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one not so great decision and so what I did is

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I spent that next year, I actually returned back

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to the company that I'd left, not in the same

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position, but honestly, it didn't matter at that

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point. I just needed to provide for my family.

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And if you can believe it or not, I went back

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and checked and I knew I worked a lot, but I

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averaged somewhere between 58 and 60 hours a

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week that year that I came back. We had tons

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of work. It allowed me to put some money back

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in the bank. get us back on our feet. And I was

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relaxed thinking, okay, I did what I came to

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do here at work. I'm still here. I'm not, I'm

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not leaving here. Right. I think that's really

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important to know is that this is a great company

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that I work for. And when I hit this point, it

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was like, okay, relief. I don't need to put more

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money in the bank. I don't need to do these things,

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but I need to figure out something. And so I

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had started getting back into running. There

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were a couple of coworkers that were running

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at lunch. So I started running with them and,

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you know, I just, I struggled to keep up with

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them. And this is kind of. Like everything that

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I've experienced since then is that everything

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I do has a struggle with it. And there was some

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lessons to it. Whatever those are, I look back

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and try and figure out what they are, reflect

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and build upon that. So we, I was sitting down

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with my wife. I don't know if this was the end

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of January, beginning of February 23. And Special

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Forces World's Toughest Tests came on. And I

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was watching it with my wife and I just looked

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at her and I said, man, if there was anything

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a civilian could do that's similar to this, 100

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% I'm in. And so we're still watching the show

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and not even two minutes later, my wife says,

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look, I found you something. And it happened

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to be GORUCK. And I was like, okay, this is it.

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And so I had purchased a backpack and a weight

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plate at that point after some research, because

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that's what I do. I research things. And within

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a week or two weeks of that show, I had 20 pounds

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on my back and went for my first rock of two

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miles. Wow. Wow. Okay. So first of all, Clint,

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I can't imagine the stress that you took on after

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venturing out to start this business. And then.

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Ultimately have to go back to the company that

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you're working for all while supporting. You

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have a family that you're supporting. So going

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through all that, that had to be one of the most

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stressful times, if not the most stressful time

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in your life. And so how were you feeling after

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that first two mile ruck? It was the punishment

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that I was looking for. It was a 1530 pace with

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20 pounds on my back. I was sweaty. I was tired.

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My legs were stiff. By any measure, it isn't

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that long. I didn't know anything about shuffling,

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so I power walked that whole thing at a 15 -30

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pace. Mind you, I had just spent the last year

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sitting at a desk and not doing anything, gained

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a bunch of weight. It took a lot of effort to

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do that, but that was the pain that I was looking

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for. I don't mean to get a little emotional,

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but to be honest. You know, I needed to prove

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something to myself like I was I could do something

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hard. I can figure it out because there were

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times I couldn't get out of bed. Like I'd wake

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up in the morning, the interim time from when

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I shut down that business to coming back to work

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here at Patriot Fire. There were times literally

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I could not get out of bed. And this became a

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motivator not only to quote unquote punish myself,

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but to. to do something good and positive for

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myself. And it's transferred in a lot of different

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ways to regular life. I'm not even really sure

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how to. go into detail, but we'll probably touch

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on it. Sure. And, you know, I don't want to say

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it's a distraction, but it certainly is a tool

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that you use to kind of harness energy that you

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had maybe pent up or you're looking to redirect

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and you found something that you ultimately ended

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up being passionate about. So I'm glad that you

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found this because it definitely set you up on

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a much better path than potentially what could

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have been. I want to ask you about your first

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GBF event. You know, what was it and what was

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it like stepping in into that world? Man, I remember

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that day so well. I had camped the night before

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with a couple guys from Seattle Rock Club. And

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that was and we slept underneath the stars on

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a cot. I hadn't done that in years. It reminded

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me of spending time with my younger brother.

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We lived on a farm and doing that sort of thing.

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So the get off the day before was perfect. We

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were in a remote area of Washington, just south

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of the Enchantments. If anybody's familiar with

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that beautiful, beautiful country. And then,

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you know, the next morning we have breakfast

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and we head up to Iron Peak. There was a guy

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there, Tom Norwood, and he shows up in sandals

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and I'm just long haired hippie guy. Turns out

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to be a great friend. I talk to him often and

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super, super cool dude. But anyways, you know,

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you see this guy in sandals and I'm just really

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confused about this whole thing. I'm in GORUCK

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boots and GORUCK shorts and GORUCK wool shirt.

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And this guy's just like. I didn't even know

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what to think, but I don't hold judgment against

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anybody. I'm the last guy that should judge anybody.

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And I had respect for him. And there were some

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athletes there. You know, there were some older

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guys and there were some ladies. And it was just

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a good group, a good mixed group of people. That's

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actually where I first met Greg, of course. Sam,

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who's a big part of my journey. And Charlie,

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who is another fantastic gentleman. I look forward

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to meeting more and we have an adventure scheduled

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later this year, which I'm excited about. So,

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but back to Iron Peak, the whistle blew, Greg

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said, go, I'm going up the mountain and every

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GBF event has a tough climb to start with. But

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I didn't know that at the time, but I'm climbing

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up this hill and I'm just thinking this is. This

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is exactly what I came for. You know, I wanted

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to see what I was made of. And so that's how

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it started. And Charlie was just in front of

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me. And apparently I was making a little bit

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better time than him. He's from Florida. It's

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pretty flat. And he let me go by in front of

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him. And about from that point forward, there

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was two other moments within that race where

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I had coincided with some other ruckers out there.

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But for the most part, the rest of the race was

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all by myself. Is that typical of GBF events

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where it's kind of everyone's stacked up in the

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beginning and then everyone starts to develop

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distance between each other and almost becomes

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a solo activity at that point? It can be. You

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know, there are people that go out there with

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partners or some sort of... plan to not get separated

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from people. But I would say generally speaking,

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yeah, it can be a solo event. And this is probably

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why it speaks to me so, so purely in the things

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that I learned is that you're out there by yourself.

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And there is nothing like you have, you don't

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have a choice when you're halfway out on a 13

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mile ruck in the mountains and you go up a peak

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and you drop down a peak and you're in a valley.

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The only way to get back to where you started

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is to go back up that mountain or finish the

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course. Who sets the courses? Who makes the decision,

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okay, this is the route we're going to go? Greg

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does. So it's a passion of his. I know he's mentioned

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some stories about him traveling around. The

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United States, also the world, but most importantly,

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the United States, when he was a serviceman,

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spent a lot of time in the States and did a lot

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of adventuring. And that's where this idea of

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GBF came from, was his experiences out there.

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I'd like to highlight two events of yours that

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I found inspiring. I'm talking about your performance

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in Ocala 2024 through you doing it again in 2025.

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Let's start out with the description of the event.

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Can you describe the terrain? Tell me where it

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is and remind me how long the course is. Well,

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there's Greg's version and there's my version.

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Greg will tell you it's through a swamp and there's

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alligators and bears all over the place. I tend

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to not look at things that way. I look at it

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as it was. It's a pretty decently maintained

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trail because there's a lot of foot traffic on

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it. There's a lot of people that try and do FKTs,

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fastest known times. And there's people that

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are just going from the top to the bottom. So

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the trail is 65 -ish miles, Greg will tell you,

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which is really 67. He will also tell you it's

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flat, which there's probably closer to 3 ,000

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feet of elevation gain, but relatively flat over

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that distance. And it starts in the evening.

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which is good and bad. I mean, some guys would

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probably like to start in the morning, but then

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that puts you in the evening later in the race.

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Starting at night, you're probably awake during

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the day before you head out there. And so maybe

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it's harder because you've stayed awake. But

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I actually do love... that trail in the evening

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i don't really see anything unless the moon was

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out and that first time in 24 we did have quite

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a bit of light and that was pretty special but

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it's a it's a just a standard trail um there

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are a lot of little roots and rock i wouldn't

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even say rocks i'm not even sure because it was

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dark but man that first year i stubbed my toe

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about a thousand times each one of them and i

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just remember that what was the The time frame

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or the time difference between your first event

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and Ocala 2024. 24. Well, every year is a 24

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time hack in order to pass and get your dog tags.

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You've got to finish this 67 miles in 24 hours.

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First year. Yeah. First year I went with a team.

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which definitely there's some pros and cons to

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team and solo. And I believe we finished it like

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23 and a half hours, maybe 23 hours and 40 minutes.

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I remember Sam, who at this point, we're just

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developing a friendship at that point. And she

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had said she was concerned that I wasn't going

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to make it because I'm not sure. Some people

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saw some things in me. Sam isn't the only one.

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Greg obviously did and some others. And they

00:19:41.430 --> 00:19:44.430
wanted to see me finish this thing. So 23 hours

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and 40 minutes, we'll call it, was the first

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one. Gotcha. Okay. I see. So barely making the

00:19:51.369 --> 00:19:53.950
cutoff. Yeah. And it was perfect weather conditions,

00:19:54.029 --> 00:19:56.549
to be honest with you. So how did you process

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that event afterwards? Did it shake your confidence

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or did it give you fuel for your drive? Or how

00:20:03.589 --> 00:20:06.109
did you take that event afterwards? It was a

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pretty emotional moment. To that time, at that

00:20:09.940 --> 00:20:13.240
finish line, the longest ruck I had was 26 .2

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miles with 45 pounds, and it wasn't fast. It

00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:18.960
definitely was not fast. I remember that day

00:20:18.960 --> 00:20:23.099
very well. But finishing, when I came across

00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:26.400
that finish line, there was definitely a lot

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of emotion that came out, guaranteed a few tears.

00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:35.440
When I finished, it was about proving to myself

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that... If I wanted to go do something, I definitely

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could. And I had help. There's no doubt about

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it. I had excellent help from David Connect,

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from Margie Vale, Michael Deller. Those three

00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:53.599
people were with me throughout that. Jim McVeigh

00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:56.680
set the pace in the beginning in our team. I

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met some other really great people along the

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way as well. Remind me again, when was your first

00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:08.890
GBF event? July of 23. Okay. So just about half

00:21:08.890 --> 00:21:11.069
a year after you've started doing GBF events,

00:21:11.230 --> 00:21:14.970
you did Ocala 24. Okay. You went back and did

00:21:14.970 --> 00:21:18.349
Ocala in 2025. What specific changes did you

00:21:18.349 --> 00:21:21.309
make leading up to the 2025 event, you know,

00:21:21.309 --> 00:21:24.309
physically, mentally, or even logistically? Because

00:21:24.309 --> 00:21:26.670
it sounds like you've done, you completed several

00:21:26.670 --> 00:21:29.869
GBF events between those two timeframes. So looking

00:21:29.869 --> 00:21:32.690
back at your blog, looking through 2024, you

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did a lot of events. So I guess I'm just kind

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of curious, like, How did you prepare differently

00:21:36.730 --> 00:21:42.430
for the 2025 Ocala versus 2024? If I told you

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that I didn't train specifically for Ocala 25,

00:21:45.509 --> 00:21:48.990
you wouldn't believe me. But 100 % I didn't.

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What I did do is I maintained consistency throughout

00:21:52.670 --> 00:21:57.990
the year, which you touched on it. I did a number

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of events. I did a local 25K. I did a... Rainier

00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.460
to Ruston relay race with some co -workers. GBF

00:22:06.460 --> 00:22:09.579
Operation Vegas, where I experienced altitude

00:22:09.579 --> 00:22:11.599
sickness for the first time because we got up

00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.000
to nearly 12 ,000 feet in altitude. Operation

00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:20.180
Yosemite, which was my first event in thunder

00:22:20.180 --> 00:22:24.359
and lightning with rain. These are all about

00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:27.779
a month apart in between. Then I attempted...

00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:32.799
Operation Century, which is another race that

00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:37.660
really sits with me heavily today. I made it

00:22:37.660 --> 00:22:40.160
42 miles out of the 100, and that was through

00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.259
Idaho, Wyoming. I had some altitude sickness

00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:47.099
there as well, but that one I gutted through

00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:51.180
way better than I did at Vegas. And then a non

00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:53.980
-rucking event was Barkley Fall Classic, and

00:22:53.980 --> 00:22:57.549
that was in September of 24. We don't really

00:22:57.549 --> 00:23:00.250
need to get into that. I'm happy to if you'd

00:23:00.250 --> 00:23:02.690
like to, but it's not a rucking event. It's just

00:23:02.690 --> 00:23:05.329
something else I wanted to challenge myself with.

00:23:05.490 --> 00:23:11.130
And then what I was really focused on was Operation

00:23:11.130 --> 00:23:14.309
Dagger. And that was in November of 24. So that's

00:23:14.309 --> 00:23:19.589
just a few months before Ocala. So that really

00:23:19.589 --> 00:23:23.089
was what I was focused on at the moment. I was

00:23:23.089 --> 00:23:28.369
not looking at Ocala. So what did I do differently?

00:23:28.569 --> 00:23:31.190
I trained specifically for 24, but I was in a

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whole different place in 25. Interesting. And

00:23:34.730 --> 00:23:37.250
talk to us about Dagger. Walk us through that

00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:39.690
event. Can you describe the specifics about it?

00:23:39.930 --> 00:23:44.450
I guess terrain and yeah. Dagger's completely

00:23:44.450 --> 00:23:48.069
different. It's not a typical mountain event.

00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:53.430
That was something Greg had come up with. And

00:23:53.430 --> 00:23:56.690
put out there and I saw it and I thought it brought

00:23:56.690 --> 00:23:59.089
me back to that moment when my wife and I were

00:23:59.089 --> 00:24:02.710
watching Special Forces, World's Toughest Test.

00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:07.789
And, you know, that to me, Dagger, the way it

00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:10.650
was advertised with standards and certain things

00:24:10.650 --> 00:24:15.190
that we needed to to physically complete that.

00:24:15.250 --> 00:24:18.089
That is what I thought I was looking for was

00:24:18.089 --> 00:24:23.220
Dagger. So Dagger turned out to be. Yeah, push

00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:26.799
-ups, sit -ups, some other gym -type tests. We

00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:30.099
did some rowing. There was time on the beach

00:24:30.099 --> 00:24:32.680
in the water. There was rucking on the beach.

00:24:32.720 --> 00:24:35.500
There was rucking from point to point. There

00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:38.539
was buddy carries. It was essentially a very

00:24:38.539 --> 00:24:43.119
military -esque type event, similar to what maybe

00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:46.660
a go -ruck selection might be. I don't know that

00:24:46.660 --> 00:24:49.660
you could compare the two. I just, that's not

00:24:49.660 --> 00:24:54.220
what I do, but it definitely had some, some mystique

00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:58.299
to it. And I knew at the moment I wanted something

00:24:58.299 --> 00:25:01.720
to continue to push my edge and figure out who

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:07.500
I really was. I see. And you mentioned you there's,

00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:11.039
there's a rowing aspect. So do they have, is

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.740
it set up in stages where you do like, maybe

00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:17.920
like a, like. I know in DECA, there's like 10

00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.740
stages of different workouts you have to complete.

00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:23.940
Is that sort of what they set up for Dagger?

00:25:24.940 --> 00:25:33.119
Not really. I mean, if I were to imagine how

00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.680
the military would actually operate, I feel like

00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.500
this was it. So we show up at a gym, and in this

00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:44.079
gym, You know, we start off with a kit chat.

00:25:44.180 --> 00:25:46.859
Well, first off, we start off, our cars were

00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:50.119
not parked correctly. And there were a handful

00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.119
of us that were not backed into our spots and

00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.279
we were not parked in the correct locations.

00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:58.339
That was quickly corrected. And it was clear

00:25:58.339 --> 00:26:00.799
that my friend Greg was not my friend Greg. He

00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.599
was, he was, I don't know what the name, he was

00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.440
my commander at that moment. I do as he said.

00:26:08.750 --> 00:26:10.890
That's kind of how it started there. So we moved

00:26:10.890 --> 00:26:14.690
into the gym. We did a kit check and we moved

00:26:14.690 --> 00:26:17.690
into some of the movements like push -ups, sit

00:26:17.690 --> 00:26:20.109
-ups. I believe we had a warm -up before then.

00:26:20.230 --> 00:26:24.750
The rowing aspect was just a mental test to tire

00:26:24.750 --> 00:26:27.609
us out, if I were to guess or read Greg's mind,

00:26:27.710 --> 00:26:30.450
before we went out and actually did some of the

00:26:30.450 --> 00:26:33.470
other work heading into that evening. I see.

00:26:33.589 --> 00:26:36.440
Okay. That makes sense. You mentioned experiencing

00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:39.500
something unexpected out on the beach. What happened

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:45.019
and what did that moment mean to you? Yeah. Dagger

00:26:45.019 --> 00:26:50.640
is one of those things that we're out on the

00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.660
beach. There were three of us left at that moment.

00:26:53.759 --> 00:26:56.720
I don't remember if it was midnight or 2 a .m.,

00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:00.660
but we had to go ruck down the beach. And I would

00:27:00.660 --> 00:27:05.119
say compared to the other guys, I don't know

00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:07.180
if I was a stronger rucker, but in that moment,

00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:09.180
I was moving a little bit quicker than them.

00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:13.700
And I had separated myself from them. And I internally,

00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.859
I knew I was breaking the rules. We were supposed

00:27:15.859 --> 00:27:18.519
to work together as a team, but I just needed

00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.400
some space in that moment. There was energy from

00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.559
one of the guys that wasn't jiving with where

00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.039
I was at in my own head. And I didn't want that

00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.240
to move over to me. And so I just. created some

00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.200
separation. The moon was out. I turned around,

00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:39.700
came back past them and kept moving. And there

00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:42.759
was just this moment where I felt like my dad

00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:49.539
was there and my dad had passed. And when he

00:27:49.539 --> 00:27:52.859
passed, I just felt like I needed to live in

00:27:52.859 --> 00:27:57.819
his legacy and his legacy. He was a businessman.

00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.359
owned his own business, which kind of translates

00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.240
to why I went out on my own. But in that moment,

00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.640
he was there. I have no doubt that he was there.

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.880
And the feeling that I got of him being there

00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.420
was that I didn't have to be him. That wasn't

00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:18.160
what my legacy was supposed to be set up as.

00:28:18.619 --> 00:28:22.920
My legacy was supposed to go and be my own person.

00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:26.380
And one of the sayings he always said is we're

00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.460
grown up was you be you you know you don't try

00:28:30.460 --> 00:28:32.980
and be somebody else and that's what i got in

00:28:32.980 --> 00:28:37.019
that moment and he was there wow and not only

00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:40.480
yeah not only was he there but uh he he spoke

00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:44.740
to me and i i think about him he actually he

00:28:44.740 --> 00:28:47.559
he's my dad but he's not my real dad he's my

00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.200
stepdad but he he grew me up as his own you'd

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:55.319
never know that i wasn't his blood kids you know

00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:59.579
and It's just an extremely emotional moment.

00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:04.700
I can only imagine. Experiencing something like

00:29:04.700 --> 00:29:09.619
that mid -event, did that fuel you to finish

00:29:09.619 --> 00:29:13.140
strong? That's a great question because that

00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:17.640
didn't actually occur to me. I don't feel like

00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.640
it fueled me. As we moved through that next...

00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:26.730
evolution and things, you know, of course I had

00:29:26.730 --> 00:29:30.029
that moment with me, but one thing I do extremely

00:29:30.029 --> 00:29:34.230
well is I compartmentalize things. And so that

00:29:34.230 --> 00:29:36.670
wasn't something that I was dealing with in the

00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:40.569
moment. I kept it with me, of course, but as

00:29:40.569 --> 00:29:43.529
we continue to move through the evolutions, it

00:29:43.529 --> 00:29:45.869
wasn't something that I was bringing back up.

00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:50.710
I see. That is a pretty strong moment in your

00:29:50.710 --> 00:29:53.349
life to have an experience like that. in the

00:29:53.349 --> 00:29:55.849
midst of something that's so physically challenging.

00:29:57.410 --> 00:30:00.109
I'm going to ask you this. How have moments like

00:30:00.109 --> 00:30:03.329
that where the physical fades and something deeper

00:30:03.329 --> 00:30:06.269
sort of takes over, how has that changed how

00:30:06.269 --> 00:30:10.069
you see yourself or the purpose behind the challenges

00:30:10.069 --> 00:30:13.930
that you're taking on? You know, I do so many

00:30:13.930 --> 00:30:18.829
events for that exact reason. It's not to prove

00:30:18.829 --> 00:30:23.519
that I can go do anything. I'm not chasing medals.

00:30:23.660 --> 00:30:27.160
I think I just did a blog post about that. I'm

00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.880
chasing that inner self. What can I learn about

00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:38.079
myself? How can I improve myself? It's a rebuild

00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.339
of who I was. It's creating an identity. That's

00:30:41.339 --> 00:30:44.220
really always been my goal. And every time I

00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:48.099
do these events, because they are so hard, they

00:30:48.099 --> 00:30:51.420
just tell me and teach me. So many things about

00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:56.700
myself. Oh, gosh, there was this something I

00:30:56.700 --> 00:31:00.420
came across yesterday. I'd love to find it and

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:02.359
love to share it here. Sure. Yeah. If you can

00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.039
bear with me. Absolutely. What I did is I came

00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.779
up with an oath. And this will be kind of where

00:31:11.779 --> 00:31:14.039
I head from here. Because all of these events

00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.839
have led to this point today. I know we're looking

00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:20.170
at some events that happened. eight, nine months

00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:22.730
ago, but it's an evolution. That's why I continue

00:31:22.730 --> 00:31:26.130
to do all these events. So it's called the Seeker's

00:31:26.130 --> 00:31:28.490
Oath. And it's taken me some time to put it together

00:31:28.490 --> 00:31:30.410
because I'm trying to figure out who the heck

00:31:30.410 --> 00:31:34.190
I am. I do not train to win. I train to discover

00:31:34.190 --> 00:31:36.309
what remains when everything else is stripped

00:31:36.309 --> 00:31:40.089
away. Betrayal is not my escape, is where I face

00:31:40.089 --> 00:31:43.529
my deepest truth. When comfort calls, I choose

00:31:43.529 --> 00:31:47.809
clarity. When doubt rises, I step forward. There

00:31:47.809 --> 00:31:50.509
is no finish line. only the next opportunity

00:31:50.509 --> 00:31:54.029
to become more than I was. I walked this path

00:31:54.029 --> 00:31:57.549
willingly, not to find who I am, but to become

00:31:57.549 --> 00:32:02.569
who I am meant to be. Wow. I really like that.

00:32:02.609 --> 00:32:05.950
I really like that phrase midway where you said

00:32:05.950 --> 00:32:09.009
where doubt rises, you step forward. That kind

00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:11.230
of pinpoints your fearlessness, your fearlessness

00:32:11.230 --> 00:32:14.029
into one start, try to start a business, your

00:32:14.029 --> 00:32:18.099
fearlessness to do all these events. And really,

00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.680
it shows your courage. And to hear you talk about

00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:23.759
the growth that you've experienced through these

00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:26.619
really difficult feats is really phenomenal.

00:32:27.509 --> 00:32:29.569
And that's sort of one of the things that I really

00:32:29.569 --> 00:32:33.170
like about rucking in general is that it gives

00:32:33.170 --> 00:32:36.490
me time to pause and kind of clear my head and

00:32:36.490 --> 00:32:39.009
work things out mentally. And you're clearly

00:32:39.009 --> 00:32:42.329
taking that and doing it on a much deeper, more

00:32:42.329 --> 00:32:44.609
significant level. And it's really, really cool

00:32:44.609 --> 00:32:47.029
to hear you talk about it. And it clearly, you

00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:49.410
know, doing these physical events, it means so

00:32:49.410 --> 00:32:51.960
much to you. Thanks for sharing that, Clint.

00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.259
I really, really appreciate that. And have you

00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:58.619
published a blog post about that? I guess I missed

00:32:58.619 --> 00:33:01.900
it if you did. No, I haven't. You know, what

00:33:01.900 --> 00:33:04.940
happens is I come up with a lot of these things

00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:07.619
and I'm not necessarily ready to let them out.

00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:11.099
Sure. And let's talk about the blog post a little

00:33:11.099 --> 00:33:14.539
bit. You know, that's not when I post blogs.

00:33:15.289 --> 00:33:17.549
Yes, I'd like to help people, but it's also a

00:33:17.549 --> 00:33:20.809
therapeutic thing for me. It helps me process

00:33:20.809 --> 00:33:23.329
what's going on in my mind and put it out there.

00:33:23.470 --> 00:33:25.809
I'm absolutely amazed at how many people actually

00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:28.049
click on the blog, to be honest with you, because

00:33:28.049 --> 00:33:34.309
it's my journey. And sometimes I feel, number

00:33:34.309 --> 00:33:37.210
one, I always want to be authentic to myself.

00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:42.490
I'm not out trying to outdo anybody. I'm not

00:33:42.490 --> 00:33:44.890
trying to compare myself to anybody. I'm just

00:33:44.890 --> 00:33:48.529
trying to give out raw information that helps

00:33:48.529 --> 00:33:52.210
people. And ironically, the blog probably helps

00:33:52.210 --> 00:33:55.509
me more than it helps anybody else from the psychological

00:33:55.509 --> 00:33:58.210
standpoint and therapy, because I don't see a

00:33:58.210 --> 00:34:05.950
therapist, but it is my therapy for sure. More

00:34:05.950 --> 00:34:08.110
with Clint in just a moment, including his blister

00:34:08.110 --> 00:34:10.710
prevention and nutrition strategies during these

00:34:10.710 --> 00:34:13.949
long GBF events. But I want to take a quick break

00:34:13.949 --> 00:34:16.550
to say thanks for listening to the podcast. Please

00:34:16.550 --> 00:34:18.590
text this episode with a fellow Rucker that might

00:34:18.590 --> 00:34:20.650
find it interesting or a friend that could benefit

00:34:20.650 --> 00:34:23.269
from Rucking. Sharing this episode would help

00:34:23.269 --> 00:34:25.369
the show grow and help more people improve their

00:34:25.369 --> 00:34:30.170
health and lives. Okay, back to it. Let's take

00:34:30.170 --> 00:34:33.070
it back to Ocala, Ocala 2025. So a few months

00:34:33.070 --> 00:34:36.550
after Dagger is Ocala 2025. Tell us about that

00:34:36.550 --> 00:34:38.489
event. What was your mindset going into it and

00:34:38.489 --> 00:34:41.869
what was the result? It's a pretty relaxed one.

00:34:41.909 --> 00:34:44.190
I flew over and I stayed with some friends that

00:34:44.190 --> 00:34:49.579
live in oh tampa and david connect was another

00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:51.619
one of those friends that was staying with me

00:34:51.619 --> 00:34:54.059
and i'll go back to him he was the guy that helped

00:34:54.059 --> 00:34:56.739
me and helped me train for the first one and

00:34:56.739 --> 00:34:59.559
so i stayed with him and greg burnham um who

00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:02.340
i've come to know through ocala as well super

00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:05.820
great guy and i stayed there and it was just

00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:09.159
a relaxing time like there was no pressure or

00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.760
anything so that was Incredible to hang out with

00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.119
those guys and learn about Greg and his military

00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.440
past and all that fun stuff. And then we headed

00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:23.079
to the race day of. We showed up there an hour

00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.260
or two before. I love to go and meet people that

00:35:27.260 --> 00:35:29.900
I've talked to through social media or whatever.

00:35:30.139 --> 00:35:32.099
And so I'll search them out, make sure I say

00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:34.820
hello to them. They're pretty relaxed, to be

00:35:34.820 --> 00:35:38.239
honest with you. And then when it was time to

00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:43.690
check in and go. I just find my peace, my calmness.

00:35:43.690 --> 00:35:47.909
I kind of have, at that point, I didn't really

00:35:47.909 --> 00:35:51.050
know how I was going to tackle the race. I think

00:35:51.050 --> 00:35:53.349
deep down, I know how I'm going to tackle the

00:35:53.349 --> 00:35:56.469
race. But I like to tell everybody, because this

00:35:56.469 --> 00:35:59.070
is truly how I feel, is that I don't really know.

00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:02.050
That doesn't come out of me until I take the

00:36:02.050 --> 00:36:05.139
first couple steps. And what happened in 25?

00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:08.820
Yeah. And what happened in 25 was, I'm not going

00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:11.300
to let myself down. I'm going to go see what

00:36:11.300 --> 00:36:15.420
I'm made of. And I had, I mean, I, I think for

00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:18.300
the first 30 miles, I was at a 16 minute pace.

00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:23.079
And I was just bound and determined to, to push

00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:27.219
myself and see what I could do. And that's where

00:36:27.219 --> 00:36:31.400
I ended up about 30 miles in about 40 miles in.

00:36:32.250 --> 00:36:36.289
We slowed significantly. I struggled with a couple

00:36:36.289 --> 00:36:39.210
of things out there, but at the end of the day,

00:36:39.230 --> 00:36:42.090
that was a great race. And then you finished

00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:45.110
second, if I remember correctly. I did finish

00:36:45.110 --> 00:36:48.769
second. Gosh, there's so many good moments in

00:36:48.769 --> 00:36:52.869
that race. Finishing second actually isn't one

00:36:52.869 --> 00:36:55.030
of the best moments. One of the best moments

00:36:55.030 --> 00:36:58.909
to me, I remember coming into, it was just daylight

00:36:58.909 --> 00:37:03.329
coming up in checkpoint four. And I was struggling.

00:37:03.769 --> 00:37:06.730
And I'm walking in. Sam had taken some video.

00:37:06.829 --> 00:37:08.949
And Greg and Sam are there at that checkpoint,

00:37:09.190 --> 00:37:12.170
as they usually are for the leaders. And they

00:37:12.170 --> 00:37:14.210
told me I was in first place. I couldn't freaking

00:37:14.210 --> 00:37:18.449
believe it. But I'm calm there. I'm struggling

00:37:18.449 --> 00:37:22.170
because my body's hurting. And I really appreciate

00:37:22.170 --> 00:37:25.690
it. all of the energy that they gave me. I, number

00:37:25.690 --> 00:37:27.409
one, I couldn't actually believe that I was in

00:37:27.409 --> 00:37:30.750
first place. Yeah. Right. Marissa Theophanitis

00:37:30.750 --> 00:37:34.269
is an extremely quick rucker. She's a petite

00:37:34.269 --> 00:37:37.750
gal, but she's strong as hell. At some point

00:37:37.750 --> 00:37:40.849
I passed her navigation, her and she ended up

00:37:40.849 --> 00:37:44.550
doing an extra 10, 12 miles. The guy, gentleman

00:37:44.550 --> 00:37:47.789
that, that hit the course record the year before

00:37:47.789 --> 00:37:52.070
in perfect conditions, he quit, he quit it. And

00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:54.869
it turned out I was only 30 or 40 minutes behind

00:37:54.869 --> 00:37:58.269
him. What was different about this 25 versus

00:37:58.269 --> 00:38:03.090
24 was we had humidity. We had a handful of trees

00:38:03.090 --> 00:38:05.090
down along the trail that we had to navigate

00:38:05.090 --> 00:38:10.829
around. We had thunder, lightning, and rain.

00:38:11.070 --> 00:38:14.510
And my favorite moment in that race was when

00:38:14.510 --> 00:38:17.769
it started to rain and I took my hat off. I generally

00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:20.090
wear a hat and you see that in all my pictures.

00:38:22.329 --> 00:38:25.349
pirate flag patch on it. It's my family emblem,

00:38:25.570 --> 00:38:30.750
I would say. I just rinsed my face off. I could

00:38:30.750 --> 00:38:35.170
feel all the grit from the salt. It felt like

00:38:35.170 --> 00:38:37.389
a shower out in the middle while I was out there.

00:38:37.550 --> 00:38:41.559
It was reinvigorating. It was new. Pacific Northwest,

00:38:41.820 --> 00:38:46.519
rain does not bother me one bit. In fact, I welcomed

00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.659
it because it was, I don't know if our lows got

00:38:49.659 --> 00:38:52.960
down to 55, maybe. Might have only been 60 at

00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.480
that time. But for me, that's really warm from

00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:58.239
being up here in the Northwest. Okay. Yeah. Gotcha.

00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:04.019
No, that's cold for me in Louisiana. That's really

00:39:04.019 --> 00:39:07.079
cool to hear. Yeah. You get refreshed. You're

00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:11.119
rejuvenated. You're good to go. Yeah. So I want

00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:14.280
to move into maybe give it with your experience,

00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:16.260
your extensive experience doing all these long

00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:18.940
rucks. I want to provide you an opportunity to

00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:21.480
give some insight to the audience that might

00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.699
be starting their rucking journey. The GPF courses

00:39:24.699 --> 00:39:27.460
that you mentioned, they're remote and I'm pretty

00:39:27.460 --> 00:39:30.159
sure they're often unmarked. Am I correct? Or

00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.599
do they mark them with ribbons or something like

00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.000
that? No ribbons. You are 100 % on your own for

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.579
navigation there. So what's your system for navigating?

00:39:39.700 --> 00:39:43.980
I really love the watch. So I will use Strava

00:39:43.980 --> 00:39:47.440
as a map builder. And what I love about Strava

00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.619
is that it has heat maps. And it sounds like

00:39:50.619 --> 00:39:52.539
some other people out there who do maps have

00:39:52.539 --> 00:39:55.400
that. But I'm a subscriber for Strava. It's not

00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.659
a free deal. But I will go and take Greg's map

00:39:59.659 --> 00:40:02.230
from AllTrails, which is... as I like to call

00:40:02.230 --> 00:40:04.329
it, quote unquote, more of a guide than anything

00:40:04.329 --> 00:40:07.849
because all trails accuracy is pretty low. So

00:40:07.849 --> 00:40:11.369
I will map that out on Strava based on the heat

00:40:11.369 --> 00:40:14.849
maps because people are generally out and on

00:40:14.849 --> 00:40:17.389
those trails. And then I'll transfer that to

00:40:17.389 --> 00:40:20.610
my watch. And my watch, I don't get paid for

00:40:20.610 --> 00:40:26.409
anything. It's a Coros Apex Pro 2. And it alerts

00:40:26.409 --> 00:40:29.610
you when you get off trail. And it's, I mean,

00:40:29.630 --> 00:40:31.329
I don't know how this watch. Yeah, I don't know

00:40:31.329 --> 00:40:33.469
how this watch can be so accurate. I know Garmin

00:40:33.469 --> 00:40:37.110
does the same thing. But literally, if I'm 25

00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:40.650
feet off, it beeps at me from the map that I

00:40:40.650 --> 00:40:43.650
created. So I know to go back. Obviously, my

00:40:43.650 --> 00:40:47.690
goal is never to get lost. But hands down, navigation

00:40:47.690 --> 00:40:52.090
on any GBF mountain event is extremely important.

00:40:52.690 --> 00:40:55.050
I know people that use maps. I know people that

00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:58.250
use phone apps. I love to have my hands free,

00:40:58.329 --> 00:41:01.010
which is why I gravitate towards the watch. You

00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:03.230
mentioned pacing when talking about previous

00:41:03.230 --> 00:41:06.409
events. How do you manage your pace and mental

00:41:06.409 --> 00:41:10.369
focus when your hours are deep into these events

00:41:10.369 --> 00:41:15.969
and you're becoming exhausted? I mean, look,

00:41:16.110 --> 00:41:19.480
I'm no different than anybody else. I go through

00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.300
the same mental struggles as everybody else at

00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:25.400
whatever pace it is. I don't necessarily set

00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:30.179
a pace for me, but certainly by feel. I think

00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:33.480
within these races, in all that I've done over

00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.739
the last couple of years, one thing that I understand

00:41:35.739 --> 00:41:39.260
how to manage is effort. And that effort is not

00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:42.340
pushing myself too hard, but pushing myself hard

00:41:42.340 --> 00:41:45.380
enough, if that makes any sense. Yeah, that makes

00:41:45.380 --> 00:41:46.760
a lot of sense. Would you say your goal is to

00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.780
complete it? And not necessarily, I mean, you

00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:51.420
did, you did mention you're not chasing medals.

00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:54.380
So maybe it kind of sounds like ultimately your

00:41:54.380 --> 00:41:56.340
goal is to be consistent and complete these events.

00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.159
Am I off? Of course I want to win. Like I'm not

00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.559
going to, I'm yes, I'm not chasing medals. I

00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.820
want to win. I want to be top, whatever. Sure.

00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:07.579
But in the moment, that's not what I'm thinking

00:42:07.579 --> 00:42:11.300
about. You're right. It's. I'm really honestly

00:42:11.300 --> 00:42:14.539
there to learn more about myself. That's what

00:42:14.539 --> 00:42:18.000
I'm looking for. Every event that I put on my

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.860
schedule is 100 % about testing and figuring

00:42:20.860 --> 00:42:24.139
out who I am. I see. Okay. A few more here that

00:42:24.139 --> 00:42:26.000
I want to touch on. First one, foot care, because

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.679
when you're doing these events, you're going

00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.579
on these long journeys. Foot care is so vital.

00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.699
What's your setup like for socks, shoes, blister

00:42:33.699 --> 00:42:37.860
prevention, whatnot? Oh, boy. If I told you that

00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:41.260
I've gone through 24 pairs of shoes and probably

00:42:41.260 --> 00:42:43.500
a dozen different types of socks, would you believe

00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:50.000
me? I can only imagine. Yeah. Yeah. So I've narrowed

00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.119
it down to wide toe box shoes, either Ultras

00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:59.719
or Topo. Topo seems to be the ones for me these

00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:03.539
days. Ultra Ventures and the Terra Ventures are

00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:06.079
the two that I gravitate towards the most. And

00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.199
then as far as socks are concerned, if it's a

00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:12.639
long ruck, 100%, I'm going to be lubricating

00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:16.300
my feet. I used to use powder, anti -friction

00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:20.340
powder, and that's probably still on my blog.

00:43:20.539 --> 00:43:23.519
But I've shifted now towards trail toes, and

00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.920
that's really eliminated a lot of my blister

00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.139
issues. And so then I'll lubricate my feet. I'll

00:43:29.139 --> 00:43:33.699
put on NGNG. toe liner socks and then i really

00:43:33.699 --> 00:43:38.719
do like the mud gear rucking socks or i also

00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.619
do love the go ruck merino wool socks both of

00:43:42.619 --> 00:43:45.360
those are about the same thickness and and provide

00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.920
pretty good um pretty good protection and the

00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.019
goal between the two yeah the goal between the

00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:54.400
two socks is that the friction is created between

00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.880
the two pairs of socks and not the socks in your

00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.699
feet sure Yeah, you're adding a little layer

00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:01.780
there. I got you. So, yeah, I think you're the

00:44:01.780 --> 00:44:05.019
second guest of mine that has recommended mud

00:44:05.019 --> 00:44:06.639
gear socks. I thought I've never tried their

00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.280
gear. I might have to give it a go. The toe liner

00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:12.360
socks. Those are the socks that go, basically,

00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:15.460
each toe has their own dedicated spot within

00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:19.219
the sock. So you're lubing up, you're putting

00:44:19.219 --> 00:44:21.400
those on, and then you're putting on a sock outside

00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.440
of that, and then you're using a wide toe box

00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.860
shoe, and that works for you. Yeah, definitely.

00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.659
And then mountain events, I'm 100 % using the

00:44:31.659 --> 00:44:36.139
lace lock system on there. And the other, also

00:44:36.139 --> 00:44:39.820
the other tip is get your shoes a half size larger.

00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.860
Okay. For the added layers of socks that you're

00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:47.480
putting on? Or just for room? All the above.

00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:51.469
Gotcha. Another vital key with doing these long

00:44:51.469 --> 00:44:54.969
events is nutrition. So how do you approach nutrition

00:44:54.969 --> 00:44:57.409
during these long events? What's your fuel strategy

00:44:57.409 --> 00:45:01.050
before, during, between checkpoints? Nutrition

00:45:01.050 --> 00:45:04.050
strategy, 100 % is day to day, making sure that

00:45:04.050 --> 00:45:07.409
you eat well. I've had a couple of nutritionists,

00:45:07.429 --> 00:45:12.829
I think three now. And actually the best advice

00:45:12.829 --> 00:45:17.050
has come from my coach and telling me what I

00:45:17.050 --> 00:45:18.909
need to eat, hitting your protein, hitting your

00:45:18.909 --> 00:45:22.469
carbs, hitting your macros. But you're adjusting

00:45:22.469 --> 00:45:27.369
carb intake and fats based on what you're doing

00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:30.949
for that day. So you're setting yourself up months,

00:45:31.090 --> 00:45:33.730
weeks, days in advance with proper nutrition

00:45:33.730 --> 00:45:37.989
there. And then when it comes to the race leading

00:45:37.989 --> 00:45:40.380
up, obviously you're going to... add 20 or 40

00:45:40.380 --> 00:45:44.460
grams of carbs each day the three or four days

00:45:44.460 --> 00:45:46.300
leading up to the event as you're heading into

00:45:46.300 --> 00:45:49.679
taper and then for the event itself breakfast

00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.980
is oatmeal with blueberries and honey and nothing

00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:57.380
super special or when you're traveling which

00:45:57.380 --> 00:45:59.980
is the most difficult time it might just be a

00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:03.159
pb and j or sandwich and some scratch hydration

00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:06.690
and then during the race I try and eat every

00:46:06.690 --> 00:46:09.150
half hour, which can be a real pain in the butt

00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:12.110
because it feels like those half hours just clock

00:46:12.110 --> 00:46:19.070
by so quickly. So it's a balance of carbs, gels,

00:46:19.429 --> 00:46:25.150
goos, mini paydays. What else do I eat? Cookies,

00:46:25.329 --> 00:46:30.269
applesauce. Costco has these great little fruit

00:46:30.269 --> 00:46:36.119
compacted bars that I'll eat. Yeah, okay. And

00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:42.380
then liquids is generally either scratch or hyperlite.

00:46:42.699 --> 00:46:45.860
Hyperlite is 100 grams of sugar and 1 ,000 milligrams

00:46:45.860 --> 00:46:48.539
of sodium. I tend to get really tired of that

00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:50.659
when I'm out there just because of the strength

00:46:50.659 --> 00:46:54.000
of it. So what I will end up doing is I will

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:56.159
carry two bladders, one with water and one with

00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:59.139
hyperlite. Scratch is a little bit more forgiving.

00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:03.059
And if it's not a hot race, I'll run scratch.

00:47:04.029 --> 00:47:07.630
Because that's only 30 grams of carb and 600

00:47:07.630 --> 00:47:10.010
milligrams of sodium and seems to give me what

00:47:10.010 --> 00:47:12.989
I need if I'm not going to overheat. Gotcha.

00:47:13.090 --> 00:47:15.449
And then lastly, you know, if someone listening

00:47:15.449 --> 00:47:18.630
wants to take on their first GBF event, what's

00:47:18.630 --> 00:47:20.809
one thing they should do in their preparation?

00:47:21.510 --> 00:47:24.190
Or maybe one thing they shouldn't do in their

00:47:24.190 --> 00:47:27.590
preparation either or. That is a great question.

00:47:28.710 --> 00:47:32.190
Navigation. Right. I think anybody can go finish

00:47:32.190 --> 00:47:34.849
any GBF event, whether they think they can or

00:47:34.849 --> 00:47:37.829
can't. The key is making sure you don't get lost.

00:47:38.809 --> 00:47:41.230
Gotcha. Well, before we move on to the rapid

00:47:41.230 --> 00:47:44.130
fire round, I just want to say thanks again for

00:47:44.130 --> 00:47:45.909
joining me today, Clint. I really appreciate

00:47:45.909 --> 00:47:48.550
it. And I've really enjoyed this conversation.

00:47:48.750 --> 00:47:50.510
Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom with us

00:47:50.510 --> 00:47:53.570
today. Thanks for having me. This has been a

00:47:53.570 --> 00:47:56.030
pleasure and I hope it helps somebody along their

00:47:56.030 --> 00:47:59.250
path. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Let's do this

00:47:59.250 --> 00:48:02.090
rapid fire round before we conclude. What was

00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:04.650
your first ruck sack when you first started rucking?

00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:09.389
Go ruck 4 .0. Okay. And if you could only ruck

00:48:09.389 --> 00:48:11.570
one trail for the rest of your life, what trail

00:48:11.570 --> 00:48:15.210
would that be? The Operation Yosemite Trail.

00:48:15.869 --> 00:48:17.809
Nice. The one with all the thunder and lightning?

00:48:18.010 --> 00:48:20.110
Do you want to go back and redo that one? Yeah.

00:48:20.250 --> 00:48:22.210
It definitely had some thunder and lightning,

00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:24.550
which was awesome. But what was special about

00:48:24.550 --> 00:48:28.789
that is Thousand Island Lakes. Everybody in this

00:48:28.789 --> 00:48:32.329
world should have to go see that. It's a spiritual

00:48:32.329 --> 00:48:36.949
place. Awesome. What's your favorite non -rucking

00:48:36.949 --> 00:48:40.909
workout? Swimming. And I don't do enough of it.

00:48:41.110 --> 00:48:44.369
Okay. Full body. Yeah. I hear you. Do you have

00:48:44.369 --> 00:48:45.989
the headphones on when you're training or do

00:48:45.989 --> 00:48:49.789
you have them out? I do not listen to any music.

00:48:49.829 --> 00:48:53.400
I have never listened to music. I think if you

00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.159
want to figure out who you are and you want to

00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.340
focus on what you're doing, music is not or podcast,

00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.380
no offense, is not the way. Absolutely. None

00:49:02.380 --> 00:49:04.900
taken. I feel the same way. I do a little bit

00:49:04.900 --> 00:49:07.880
of a mix. I put music in sometimes and sometimes

00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.659
I just go on these rucks without anything in

00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:13.599
my ears and I'm just left with my thoughts and

00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.840
really like those. Last one. What is your bucket

00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:20.760
list rucking trail? I've kind of been toying

00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.679
around with the idea of getting down into the

00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:26.380
Redwoods. I think I could put together 120, 112

00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:29.219
mile route through the Redwoods. And I think

00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:33.059
that would be something pretty dang cool. I'm

00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:35.679
still working through details and seeing if that's

00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.500
really what I want to do, but it's something

00:49:37.500 --> 00:49:40.239
I've put some research into. Cool. Well, Clint,

00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:42.599
that's it, man. Again, really appreciate you

00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.139
being here and best of luck with all your future

00:49:45.139 --> 00:49:48.400
GPF events, man. I appreciate that. Thank you

00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.659
so much, Spencer. All right, that wraps up my

00:49:51.659 --> 00:49:53.559
conversation with Clint. You can read more about

00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:56.480
Clint's GBF experiences and his self -discovery

00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.119
journey over at carvingtrails .com. That's carving

00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.260
with two R's. You can connect with him on Facebook

00:50:02.260 --> 00:50:05.699
at Clint Carr, again with two R's, or on Instagram

00:50:05.699 --> 00:50:09.420
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00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:11.380
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00:50:11.380 --> 00:50:15.619
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