Inside the New RuckWell Update: Smarter Features for Better Training

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App updates usually mean cosmetic changes or

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features you'll never use. This one's different.

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The latest RuckWell update changes how ruckers

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can train, recover, and make smarter decisions

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between sessions. That's what we're breaking

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down today. In today's episode, Chris Hayes,

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the founder and developer of RuckWell, is back

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on the podcast to talk us through the recently

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released RuckWell app update, which dropped last

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Friday. This is a practical breakdown of what's

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changed, why it matters, and how ruckers should

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actually use the new metrics that are provided

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performance, and health. During our conversation,

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we dig into the update, covering the redesigned

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training experience, customizable alerts, the

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new map features, route navigation, recovery

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scores, heart rate analytics, and more. You're

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listening to the Rucker's Edge podcast, a show

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all about rucking that is designed to help you

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improve your rucking routine, lose weight, and

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ultimately gain your strength and energy back.

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Each episode dives into the science, stories,

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and strategies behind rucking. You'll learn from

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top ruckers, coaches, nutrition experts, and

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performance specialists who break down what it

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takes to train smarter, recover faster, and stay

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ready for the next challenge. So whether you're

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new to rucking or an experienced rucker that's

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already logged hundreds of miles, this is the

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show for you. I'm your host, Spencer. Thanks

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for listening in. Please enjoy my conversation

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with Chris Hayes. Chris, welcome back to the

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Rucker's Edge podcast. It's good to have you

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here again. Thanks for being back. I've been

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keeping up with your Instagram and I saw that

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you just did the JFK 50 mile race. Congratulations,

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man. So what was that experience like? Thanks.

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Yeah, it was kind of a crazy race, to be honest.

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Just a little bit of background on the race itself.

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It's it was a 16 mile beginning on the Appalachian

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Trail. So there was a. good amount of elevation

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there right at the jump and after that it kind

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of leveled out and we did basically a marathon

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on like this canal trail so relatively flat and

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then it ended with some rolling hills and some

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decent elevation again at least you know for

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being 40 some miles in but yeah the whole the

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whole thing was was really good um you know i

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did it with my brother and we've been And signing

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up for these events that push us past our comfort

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zone, let's say. Nice. For the last few years

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or so, we've done, you know, high rocks, all

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the GVF stuff. I tried my hand at one triathlon,

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which I probably won't do again, at least for

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a while. Yeah. But it's good to try stuff like

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that. Yeah. Oh, gosh. I did one triathlon back

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when I was just out of high school. And I quickly

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learned how bad of a swimmer I am. Last one out

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the water. Not a good situation. But man, congrats.

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So what was a moment during that race that hit

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you harder than you maybe expected it to? So

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it's interesting all of the psychological games

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that you play on yourself mostly during these

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races. For me, it kind of hit at the marathon

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distance point, so 26 miles. So we had the 16

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miles on the Appalachian Trail and then about

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10 or so into the middle portion. And I think

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hitting that marathon distance, psychologically,

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my brain was like, OK, you just ran a marathon.

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You know, that's roughly twice the distance of

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your training runs already. And it's about the

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halfway point of the whole 50 miler. Wrapping

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that all, it was a few minutes where I was, you

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know, kind of wrestling with that a little bit.

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Sure. Like kind of knowing that you still have,

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you know. so much further to go for the rest

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of the race. But that's awesome though. Congrats

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again. In your training for that, did you do

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any rucking? Yeah, for sure. No matter what I

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sign up for, rucking is always part of the routine.

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You know, depending on what I'm doing, I may

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shift more towards other workout types like running

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or if it's more focused on high rock specifically,

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I'll be doing stuff for that. But rucking I always

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use to keep, you know, a certain amount of cardio.

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Before we started recording, you had mentioned

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that you kind of come from a military family.

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Do you mind providing some information on that

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for the listener? Yeah, so my dad was in the

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Navy, and his dad was in the Army. But my dad

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really appreciated all of the historical sites,

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the battlegrounds. And I live on the East Coast,

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so as we were traveling for vacations and things,

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my dad would always look for different battlefields

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on our route. But we went to stuff like Gettysburg

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a lot. And I think growing up, I didn't really

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have a great appreciation for it. But getting

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into rucking the last several years and through

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GORUCK, where they have that kind of historical

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teaching as part of their events, that really

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opened my eyes and gave me an appreciation for

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my family's history in that. And my dad passed

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about 15 years ago. So it's kind of after the

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fact that I'm able to kind of see it for what

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it was. Yeah, I understand that. And I think

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earlier you had mentioned you had done some GBF

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events. What kind of events did you do? So most

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of the events I've done were through the Sterling

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series, which is their mountain events in North

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Carolina. Did you do those with your brother,

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too? I did. Yeah. So my brother actually was.

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uh in florida i believe on vacation and he ended

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up doing a gbf um event of some sort down there

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but he came back and told me about it and was

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like oh we should check this out because this

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was kind of post covid post garrick involvement

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and so yeah we found the ones that were semi

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-local to us which happened to be north carolina

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we did several of those and then i also Did one

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called Operation Tab, which was in Virginia.

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Very different than the mountain events. Operation

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Tab was a 80 pound ruck for 12 miles. And the

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time limit for that was either three hours or

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two and a half if you wanted to go for the gold

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tags. But I came in at two hours and 25 or 26

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minutes. Cool. Yeah, that's awesome. 80 pounds

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for 12 miles. Yeah, that sounds very difficult

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to do. Any lessons learned from those events

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that might help other ruckers? Yeah, so going

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through GBF and then some of the things I talked

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about trying afterwards, I learned that you can

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be really adaptable to different events or, you

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know, different missions, quote unquote, having

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a variety of interests in these things. Once

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you learn what you want to do, you can tailor

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your training for that thing or for that event.

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I mentioned high rocks. That's a lot of different

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strength movements and running combined. The

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GBF mountain ones need a lot of strength as you're

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going uphill. Operation Tab was a different beast

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altogether, requiring strength and endurance

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to do that under time. I mean, 80 pounds, 12

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miles versus, what, 35 pounds for those 24 -hour

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events in Green Beret Fitness? Is that usually

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what it is? About that, yeah. There's certainly

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different training philosophies involved with

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those different events. So one of the main things

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I'm excited to talk to you about today is the

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update that you have coming to the Rockwell app.

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And I did see a couple weeks back, or maybe it

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was months ago now, I'm starting to lose track

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of my time here now that it's the holidays and

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things are starting to blend in, but it's now

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available on Android. Is that right? Yeah, I

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released that probably a month or two ago. I

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also forget exactly when. Now that it's on Android,

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it sounds like you've kind of spent more time

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improving it and you have an update coming to

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the Apple version. And I have some questions

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and I definitely want to dig into some of the

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new features. But you've mentioned to me before

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we started recording that you're going to always

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be committed to having a free version of the

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app. I kind of wanted to talk to you about that.

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So why does that matter to you? the life path

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that I'm on. And so I wanted to provide something

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useful for that community. And I think being

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just a good community citizen is important to

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me. And, you know, having the opportunity to

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give everybody a tool to improve their lives,

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I think is really valuable. And honestly, you

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know, it's also a good launching pad for anything

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else that comes down the road. That's great.

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I think that says a lot about the character of

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yourself and that you've built this tool and

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you want to help people prove their fitness in

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their lives. That's excellent. And so with this

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new update or this new version, you have a subscription

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where that, I guess, provides the user a lot

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more features. And I kind of want to discuss

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those. But the first thing I noticed when I opened

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up the beta version that you've let me play around

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with is that it looks a lot different. Can you

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walk us through the changes in the user experience

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when you open the app for the first time? For

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the first time, what you'll see is hopefully

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a new onboarding flow. which I asked a few questions

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basically just to kind of get to know your experience

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level and kind of your preferences. So I'll be

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asking like, why do you rock? Which could be

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like general fitness or weight loss, that kind

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of thing. What type of rock do you like to use?

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Like, is it a standard go rock or is it like

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a hunting pack or a weight vest, that kind of

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thing. And what that allows me to do is actually

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create a set of activity loads within the app.

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Allow you to start your fitness, your workout

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quickly. So one of the really cool things that

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I noticed almost immediately was that there are

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these new like customized activities that you

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can kind of create. And it takes maybe a little

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bit of time to set up, but I think it is going

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to save a lot of time in the future. If you're

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switching between, you know, lighter rucks versus

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heavier rucks. I think that's a really good added

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feature. I really like that. I also saw that

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you have. Some new alerts, maybe. I don't know

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if I just didn't notice them in the past, but

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like when I rock, I start thinking about other

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things and not necessarily about the work that

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I'm doing. So those alerts kind of pull me back

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into it and it looks like they are customizable

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now. Can you talk about those a little bit? Yeah,

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so the alerts I had before were just for your

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splits. They'll be a mile or kilometer splits.

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Now you can actually customize it. You can keep

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it the same as the splits if you want, but you

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could. You use a different distance or you can

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use a time -based alert, which may be helpful

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to keep you out of your funk. You can also do

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your pace alerts and your heart rate zone alerts

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as well. So how do you recommend users use the

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alerts? I guess, like, how do you use them? Do

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you typically still like to use distance alerts

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or do you use your heart rate alerts? Yeah, honestly,

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most of the time I keep it on the default, just

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mile split alert. Yeah. Unless I'm in a particular

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training cycle where I care about keeping in

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zone two, which definitely happens from time

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to time. But that's when I'll turn on the heart

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rate zone alert. So if you want to stay in zone

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two, would you set the alert for like, hey, you're

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now in zone three. So, you know, to like pull

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it back or you set it for heart rate zone one.

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So, you know, go a little harder. Is that sort

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of what you would do? So you specify the zone

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that you want to be in, and then it will give

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you dynamic alerts for if you're once you get

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into the zone or if you're drifting out of it,

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it'll warn you. Oh, cool. Sort of like bumpers

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in a bowling alley. It's like, hey, you're kind

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of going a little too high or a little too fast.

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So slow your pace down a little bit. Cool. All

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right. Well, I'm definitely going to change my

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alerts to that because I have been struggling

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to stay within zone two. It's funny, like I'll

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get back thinking at the end of my rock. Yeah,

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I was definitely in zone two for at least half

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of that. I was in like zone four for like 80

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percent of it. So that's a great feature. I'm

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going to start using that. Let's move on to the

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new maps and navigation. A previous guest on

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the show, Klinkar, who does a lot of GPF events,

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he was talking about how he puts maps onto his

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watch and it will kind of help him keep track.

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But I like having, I like looking at a map or

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a screen. So having this feature is going to

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be helpful for me. So how should someone prepping

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for like an event on a trail start to use Ruckwell's

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maps and navigation features? Yes, all of the

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GBF events I did in North Carolina all required

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a certain level of navigation. And I like to

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joke with my brother that sometimes we can be

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bad at it. But typically what we do is load up

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the map on our phone and our watch. At the time,

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my brother had an Apple Watch. I think now he's

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using a Garmin. But we had another app, basically

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a running app that allows you to put in your

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track and we use that to track the ruck. So basically

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you can look at your watch and it'll point you

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in the right direction. And it'll also tell you

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like if you're going off path, it'll warning

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and say, hey, you should probably look at your

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map and figure it out. More with Chris in just

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a moment, including a rundown on all the new

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data fields included in the new update to RuckWell.

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But I want to take a quick break to say thanks

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again for listening to the podcast. Please text

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this episode with a fellow rucker that might

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find it interesting or a friend that could benefit

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from rucking. Sharing this episode will help

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the show grow and help more people improve their

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health and lives. Okay, back to it. Let's talk

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about the home screen intelligence. This is really

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cool. So when you first open the app, like I

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mentioned, it looks completely different. You

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have all kinds of different features available

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to view there. And I really like the quick start.

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Like if you already have a customizable workout,

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you just hit the button. You can just start going

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really quickly. But like I mentioned, there's

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a bunch of metrics on the home screen. What are

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some of the more important metrics that you have

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provided on the home screen? So the home screen.

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I'm made to be glanceable information. So typically

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when I load it up, you know, there's a few scores

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on there I'll just get a glance at and then kind

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of use that as information on what to do next.

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So the recovery score is tracking things like

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your sleep, your heart rate. It does include

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your recent strain to say like. how hard can

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I go today kind of thing. And I mentioned the

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strain, there's a ruck load metric in there,

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which is a recent look at your workouts to say

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like, how hard have I been going? Okay. And if

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you've been going really hard, you're going to

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have a high ruck load and maybe you should back

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off a little bit. On the other hand, if you've

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been slacking, you'll see a pretty low ruck load,

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which will tell you that you should probably

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pick it up. go after it yeah but what's what's

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interesting for that ruck load is it accounts

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not only your ruck workouts but your other workout

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types like running or weight lifting will all

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contribute to that but the mobility and recovery

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tools can actually contribute positively to that

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ruck load so it'll lower it a little bit okay

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so it gives you an overall perspective cool What

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information does the heart rate zone analytics

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provide? What should we do with that, I guess?

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So if you're in a training block where you want

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to be mindful of your heart rate, what it does

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is it aggregates your heart rate over the course

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of the week. And it'll say, hey, you've been

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spending this much time in this zone. And typically

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what you'll do if you're paying attention to

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it is you want to try and be in zone two. And

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then just touching like zone five for certain

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workouts. Gotcha. If someone only checks one

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number a day, just like a quick glance, what

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do you think the more important metric would

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be? Would it be the recovery like you mentioned

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earlier? If you had to pick one, then yeah, I

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guess the recovery. Yeah. But there's like there's

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a whole lane that's going to be providing users

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such valuable information to help with their

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training. So what do you hope the home screen?

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becomes for athletes so i have uh future plans

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for it which i won't get into now but really

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i want it to be the the hub for like your current

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workout or your current kind of training week

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so i view most of my workout and recovery details

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by the week so you can see on there there's also

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aggregations for how much distance that I cover,

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how much elevation, ruck work, all that stuff

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by the week. And that allows you to kind of get

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the picture spread over the week instead of just

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focusing on like one day at a time. Gotcha. One

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of the other features that I really like, if

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you go to the home screen, you can press on a

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button. It brings you up to the workout goals

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and it looks like you can set your own targets

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and you can select a route. And this is really

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cool. So what inspired you to set this up, this

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feature up? So it's pretty common that the rucking

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community will provide kind of standards that

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you want to try and hit. So one of them is being

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the 12 mile ruck march, right? That's a pretty

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common challenge that people will take on. So

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I wanted a way to basically set that as your

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target within your workout. And so. I have the

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goal section where you could put distance or

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duration or calories, if that's your thing, as

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like your workout target. And it'll give you

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a view within your workout to say, here's your

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progress towards that. Are you using any of these

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targets for your own training when you were doing

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the JFK 50? Occasionally I'll do duration if

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I know I only have a certain amount of time to

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work out. And sometimes distance if... There's

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a particular distance target that I want to hit,

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but most of the time I don't. So it looks like

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Rockwell is really developing into something.

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It was already a useful tool, but with these

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added features, I feel like it's going to provide

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a lot of benefits to people kind of developing

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their own training plans. What problems would

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you be excited to maybe solve in the future?

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My next phase of development will probably be

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to get the Android app kind of on par with this

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iOS update. Cool. But beyond that, I've got a

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long list of features that'll probably take me

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at least a couple of years to work through. And

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what you'll see is diving more into the wellness

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space, but also the other pillars of the ruck

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wall system, which the pillars are rucking, strength,

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training, nutrition, mobility, and optimization.

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So I'll be adding features that align more to

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those over time. I'm still curious, how long

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did it take you? I guess I can go back and look

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in the app store to see it. But how long did

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it take you from the previous version that you

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had to this revamp? How long did it take you

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to code all that and develop it? I have experiments

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that I work on from time to time. So even if

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I'm working on something, I'll usually be experimenting

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with a different feature. knowing full well that

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it is likely not usable until I actually dive

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deep on it. So for example, when I was doing

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the Android app, my focus was that, but on the

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side, I'll be like, I wonder if I could do this

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thing in iOS, you know, that kind of thing. So

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I think my last version of the iOS app was in

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July. Okay. So after that, I shifted to the Android

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app, but always had stuff kind of in the background.

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Cool. Yeah, I'm always curious because I don't

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know the first thing about what goes into developing

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an app, but I'm sure it takes a lot of effort

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and a lot of time. Okay, so it's currently out

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in the App Store now. So if someone updates it

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today, what should they do first? Well, first,

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subscribe to the free trial, of course. Beyond

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that, take a look at... The workout screen and

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the different options we were talking about,

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there's more items in there than what we've touched

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on. So take a look and reach out to me on social

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media if you have questions or comments. Is that

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the best place to get feedback, just reaching

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out on social media? Yeah, you could probably

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do that. If you have something perhaps more long

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-winded, email might be better. Cool. And what

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email address should they use? Support at ruckwild

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.com. Good deal. Chris, congrats again on launching

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the update to RuckWell. And thank you for creating

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such an amazing tool. I said this last time you

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were on, but it's really nice to see someone

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looking out for the community and developing

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a tool like this that people can use to track

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their rucks, share it with people, motivate other

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people, and continue on their path of improving

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their fitness and their health. So thanks for

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that. Thanks for coming on. Really appreciate

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it, Chris. Of course. Thanks for having me. All

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right, that wraps up my conversation with Chris

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Hayes. You can connect with Chris at ruckwell

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.com or on Instagram at ruck underscore well.

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And I'll drop those links in the show notes for

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you. If you want to reach out to me, head on

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over to theruckersedge .com or on Instagram at

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a physical therapist that specializes in back

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pain, and he provides really good insight into

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back pain management and prevention. All right,

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that's it for today. Thanks again for listening

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to this week's episode of The Rutgers Edge.