World Record Ruck and Veteran Support with Mark Jones

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What does it take to carry 40 pounds on your

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back for 80 miles and do it for something bigger

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than yourself? Today on The Record's Edge, I'm

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talking with Mark Jones, a Marine, a Go Rucks

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selection finisher, death race competitor, and

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now a man on a mission to set a world record

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to raise awareness and support for the Oscar

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Mike Foundation, which helps injured veterans

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stay active and unstoppable. He's attempting

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the world record this Thursday, November 6th,

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and the live stream will be available on oscarmike

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.org. In this episode, Mark breaks down how he's

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training for his 24 -hour 80 -mile event, what

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it's like to work with a coach for the first

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time, and how he's built the mental toughness

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to push through fatigue. You'll hear his philosophy

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on competition, recovery, and purpose, and how

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you can apply these same mindsets to your own

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training and life. This one's about endurance,

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service, and what it really means to stay Oscar

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Mike on the move. You're listening to the Rutgers

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Edge podcast, a show all about rucking that is

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designed to help you develop a rucking routine,

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lose weight, and ultimately gain your strength

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and energy back. Whether you're an office worker

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with lower back pain, a fitness first -timer,

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or a new parent trying to get back to your pre

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-kid's weight, this show is for you. I'm your

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host, Spencer. Thanks for listening in. I'm excited

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to share this one with you today. But just a

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real quick sidebar, my apologies for the audio.

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I had a mishap during the editing process. I'm

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going to fix it for next time. But anyway, here's

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my conversation with Mark Jones. Mark, thanks

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for joining me today on the Rutgers Edge podcast.

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It's really good to have you here. Hey, thanks

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for having me. Happy Halloween. Yeah, happy Halloween.

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We're recording this on Halloween. Got some trick

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-or -treating later today, some more fun activities.

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So 100 miles, 24 hours, 40 pounds, five days

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from now. How are you feeling about it? You know,

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it's been a wild ride. But I want to eliminate

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the 100 miles because we're chopping this up.

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Obviously, this is a fundraising event for Oscar

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Mike. The number one goal is to break the record,

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which is currently 79 miles, which means we need

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80. We're looking at the 100 as the bonus piece.

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Everything after 80 is all bonus. 100 is a high

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bar, but if you know me, there's nothing we would

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not do to pursue the 100 in the first place.

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Yeah, feeling really good. That makes total sense.

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And it's really good to hear that you're feeling

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good about it. And I want to talk a lot more

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about the world record attempt and especially

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Oscar Mike, the foundation you're doing this

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for. But I want to back up a little bit and talk

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about your entry into endurance competitions

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and your journey, if that's okay. Your endurance

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competition resume is one of the strongest out

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there from what I can see. And if my research

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serves me well, I think you started with a half

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marathon as one of your first endurance races.

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What drove you to the world of endurance races

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or competition in the first place? man you went

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you went deep that's 2006 okay so i mean the

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story if people have listened to me in the past

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they hear the same story but i love to i love

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to preach it because it was just there's no way

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i could recreate this uh you know the the feeling

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of coming down the stairs uh you know heavily

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overweight hung over it's two in the afternoon

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uh my pockets are empty i'm wondering what the

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hell i did last night And I opened the door and

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the sun hits me dead in my eye. And there's a

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half marathon flyer sitting at my doorstep, the

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Harrisburg, Pennsylvania half marathon. And I

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just was like, what the hell is this? And, you

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know, ego kicked in and something told me I needed

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to change my life and jump into this. And that's

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what I did a few weeks later. And man, I was

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sick for days, but it was, there was something

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about that heat down that really just wanted

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me to search for more. Yeah, it's such a cool

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story. So many people wouldn't even read what

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was on that flyer or pamphlet. It would just

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keep moving. So I'm glad whatever it was caught

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your eye and you dove into this world because

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your resume is just so impressive. I went back

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and took a look at some of the events you've

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done and completed. First of all, GORUCK Selection

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Finisher at the top. That was certainly an eye

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-catcher. Two -time GORUCK. rucking world champ

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five -time death race finisher insane um and

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then most recently and i'm missing a lot of events

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mark but most recently here in april the big

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bad ruck and then congrats on your top 10 finish

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on the inaugural ruck race league regular season

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finish by the way you know you've done all these

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events but what was your first rucking competition

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or competitive event my first it was called a

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hump in the marines so in the united states rink

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or you uh it's called a hump and My first reaction

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was, what the hell is a hump? What are we doing?

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You're a six, 17 -year -old Mayan wanderer when

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you hear that word. When you start packing all

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this stuff up and you have no idea how to do

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it, you don't know. I've never really put anything

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on besides a dance board in my life coming out

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of high school. Now you have this Alice pack

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at the time and your stuff and all the crap they

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tell you to put into it. All of a sudden, you're

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just marching down the road and you just know

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you have to keep moving. That right there. Because

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so many people are jumping into it with, obviously,

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your show is an insider scoop of how to get better

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at this or to take those first steps. But for

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me, I had absolutely no clue what the heck I

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was doing. And what I realized real quick is

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that there was this pain just from carrying some

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weight. But the weight that I was carrying was

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obviously practical and useful to the mission

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that was coming up right at hand. So that's what

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I kind of fell in love with is the practical

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side of it that I always like to preach to towards

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everybody today, like why I do this. I'm kind

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of curious, how much weight do you think you

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were carrying? You know, I would say probably

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in the beginning, I'm just starting off probably

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like 40 pounds or so. And it doesn't sound like

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a lot, but when you get into it and you start

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carrying like real stuff, it's not the same kind

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of load that the equivalent 40 -pound plate would

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be. You know, it's bulkier, it shifts. It's just

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a different style, right? Yeah. And I would definitely

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easily say, just in boot camp, we were carrying

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loads up to 100, no problem. And that was definitely

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towards the end. And, you know, that all varies,

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too. When you get into what they call the fleet,

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you're carrying different weapon systems that

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get shifted around all over the place. So you

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can have a 50 -pound pack, and then all of a

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sudden it becomes 100 or more, depending on what

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else you're carrying. But, you know, that's the

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whole game. Share the weight. I'm curious, of

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all the events in your history of rucking, which

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one are you the most proud of? Man, that's a

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really tough question. There's different moments

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and different times in my life that, you know,

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because we're always facing that finish line

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for something. Not, you know, I don't know, at

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least for me, it's not the award, the pass, money.

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There's something going on in my life that it

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brings an event to surface into my life, just

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like the half marathon. That wasn't placed on

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my doorstep by somebody. That was blown around

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in a little tornado and just landed on my doorstep.

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It was crumbled. It wasn't perfect. That landed

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there for a reason. And I feel like events always

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call to me for a reason. And so whenever I'm

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having something difficult go on in my life and

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an event pops up that I want to pursue, and that

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becomes a great achievement at the end because

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of all the hard work. the time that I reflected

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on how I got better and how I trained for it

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and then how I succeeded. So those are all especially

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unique moments. And it could be from a 5K to

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a multi -day step race or another event that

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might have the same shared feelings. But one

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I have to say that sticks out the most is the

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selection, just because it is one of my only

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stories I can really truly display and speak

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of. how resilience played a huge part to that

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success. That wasn't something I just went and

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did and succeeded. It took a few times. And humbly

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saying, I quit a few times. And finally, when

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I put 100 % focus on it, I was able to just get

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it done. And when I got it done, I put the tools

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needed to get it done into my pack and carried

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that weight literally. it wasn't as bad as it

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was for all those times that I just second, I

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gave it, I gave it like that, that B race mentality.

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It said that 100%, this is all I'm going for

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this year. And when I did that, I made it, it

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made it that much easier, you know? Yeah. So

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I would say, I would say that's definitely up

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there as, as top three, top five for sure. Yeah,

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definitely. I can totally understand that. And

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yeah, congrats to you. That is a phenomenal feat

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and a tremendous amount of respect for your first.

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Did you attempt it more than once? I thought

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I just saw you attempt it the year before and

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then you came back the next year. Was it two

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years later? No. So I had no idea what I was

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getting myself into. A buddy was just like, you

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should go do this. And it was way back when you

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had to do a challenge to kind of like get into

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it. So I went into the challenge and then was

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able to, I guess, get approved for selection.

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And, you know, I was like, okay, I can do anything,

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you know, mentality and got to like 36 hours

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and just quit. I was pissed off. And then I jumped

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right back into it. You know, again, ego kicking

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in saying, oh man, that was a fluke. You got

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it next time, you know what to do. And then it

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was a shorter timeframe. And then it was a legit

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bed drop where I just passed out on the beach

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and I woke up and I said, you're done. So, you

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know, those three times, I think in two years,

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I was told by Jason, the CEO, like, hey, you

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need to take two years off, focus. I see you

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can do this. You just need to focus. So that's

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what I did and took his advice and came back.

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That's awesome. Wow. Thanks for sharing that.

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I didn't realize that. I have a tremendous amount

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of respect for you for your previous attempts

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and then coming back, taking the time off and

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achieving your goal. That's just wild. And so

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few people have achieved that. That's quite the

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accomplishment. And I know you don't do it for

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the medals. There are more greater reasons for

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your why. But yeah, it's a huge accomplishment.

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And going back to the world record attempt, you're

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doing it for Oscar Mike Foundation, which again,

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I want to talk about a little further. Yeah,

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24 hours, 40 pounds. Yeah, the current record

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is 79 miles. That's a little over a 14 -minute

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mile pace. What's your strategy going into this?

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So we had a roller coaster to get to where we're

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at now. So anybody trying to think about maybe

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pursuing a Guinness World Record, you'll get

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into that world where there are a lot of unknown

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answers until you pay a lot of money to get.

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some answers. And that's what we've been doing

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for the better part of a year. So I won't talk

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about the ridiculous amounts they charge for

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an in -person adjudicator, but that's what Oscar

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Mike wanted because they have this big red tie

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event the next day on Red Friday, and they wanted

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a big presentation. So no pressure to me. We

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start on Thursday, it goes to Friday, and then

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at night the presentation will happen. So the

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format that I ended up creating, because Parks

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and Rec's in Chicago, where we were going to

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have it initially, was just such a pain to deal

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with. And they didn't really answer any of our

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questions. And time was ticking down. This is

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what I'm talking about. Maybe a month ago, we

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just finally got the thumbs up. But it wasn't

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from Chicago. It was from a venue in Belvedere,

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Illinois, which is about two hours west of Chicago.

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And this was just spotted on me looking on Google

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Earth. And I see a track. We had a big open space.

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So it's just a bunch of soccer fields in the

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middle. And then it has an asphalt track around.

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And I was playing around with the distances and

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just found that a rectangle around basically

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the entire facility is 1 .4 miles to the T. And

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I was like, no way. 1 .4 times three is 4 .2.

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And that's equivalent to a backyard ultra. So

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this is something manageable where we could say

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every three loops. In under an hour, we're at

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the backyard, maintain 4 .2 an hour, and we're

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on pace. Perfect, yeah. We don't have to wait

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for a bell every hour. We can go whenever we

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need. Yeah. So that's going to be the exciting

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piece. If you're into that stuff that we're going

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to have on the live stream, that you can really

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kind of battle track where I'm at. You have to

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have a camera on you the whole time and then

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a camera on the clock. So it's going to probably

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be a split screen of just things going on the

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entire 24 hours. That's really cool that it's

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going to be live streamed. Wow. Is it typical

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that you have a coach help you? I think from

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my understanding, historically, you train yourself,

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but I noticed you have a coach helping you just

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go around. Why did you decide to get outside

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help after years of self -directed training,

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I guess? Well, you know, you talk to a lot of

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different athletes and you see some of them as

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coaches and then some of them being coached.

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And sometimes they do both. I said, we have enough

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time to try this out, but I have to go all in.

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I can't. I can't do a little bit of my stuff

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and then some of their stuff. I have to listen

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to my coach 100%. And I've just never done that

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before. And I like doing things for the first

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time in probably the worst case scenario. I am

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not a perfect person where I go into something

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and it's 100 % success or 100 % win. I go in

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with a lot of unknowns all the time. But I'm

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also an unknown when I enter the arena in races.

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And I just love that. I don't like guarantees

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in life. I like going in there almost like the

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underdog and battling issues that arise as they

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come. So having a coach was one of those. It's

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never happened before. I can always just say,

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hey, I've always succeeded in the past. Actually,

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the coach I have, Ron Geiger, he reached out

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to me for an athlete he had going to selection.

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So I spoke with him and helped one of his athletes.

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And then he actually wanted to compensate me

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for my time. And I was like, no, absolutely not.

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And then I just came back to him and said, hey,

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you know, time to pay your debt. But man, he

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is phenomenal. He is so knowledgeable. I'm just

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a dumb grunt, right? I go out there, yeah, I'm

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going to do this. And I figure, I call it fitful.

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I figure it out. And that's kind of how I do

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everything. But this time. Everything has been

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structured. I listened to everything he said.

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We'd get on weekly or biweekly calls, and I could

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tell him, I don't really feel good about this,

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or maybe we shift this and that, and I'd probably

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give him a hard time, but we work really well

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together, and he's very receptive to the criticism

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I present, and I'm very good at following his

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direction because he knows his stuff, and it's

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worked out really well, and I can't wait to have

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him there. He's going to show up there also and

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be coaching me the entire time. Oh, that's really

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cool. He's going to be in person. Wow. Yeah.

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I just felt really, really good about having

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him as a coach. Since I was thinking about it,

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with all the, you've got to get this done scenarios

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that were presented and all the investments and

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all the sponsors, I was like, well, I got to

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be legit all the way through on this. Yeah, no,

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that's great. It's good to hear y 'all's communication

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is really good. You know, the coach -athlete

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dynamic really depends on trust and communication.

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It sounds like y 'all figured that out really

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early. Of course, it helps when you've already

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had a relationship sort of established and you

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kind of know sort of who you're going to be working

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with going into it. So what does training look

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like for something like setting a world record

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with 40 pounds in your back? A lot of rocking.

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I want to talk about how I was training prior.

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But he opened the door into how to take blocks,

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piece them together where everything makes sense

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and they're actually building off each other.

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And I'm not just going through these grinds of

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pain and misery and suffering for almost no reason

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on my own. So we had a huge block of strength

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and just pushing that to the limit and then dropping

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back down and starting to build up the rough

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piece. We would do 40 pounds, 50 pounds, sometimes

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30. And we had speed sessions. We had long walks.

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Long walks is something I wasn't really doing

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much of because I just hate walking. But on my

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own, I was running and then just walking. There

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was a little bit of elevation or something like

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that. But he's been putting me on mandatory walks.

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And I've really come to enjoy them. Maybe that's

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because I'm becoming an old man. I've really

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enjoyed the walk. Today was 10K. It's 3 in the

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morning. It's delightful. That's awesome. Are

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they for recovery purposes or do they serve some

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other purpose? For the 50 pounds, I think it's

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just having that... When you think about it,

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I'm basically a little over 3 miles an hour.

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I'm going out for... He likes to do it in kilometers.

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Basically, a 12 -mile run or a ruck is walking.

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you're looking at like four hours with the ruck

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on. We're not putting that down at all. Like

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the ruck is on for four hours with 50 pounds.

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So now when you drop back and you're doing a

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run with 40 pounds, that's an increment comparable

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to what we're going to be doing. I've been calling

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it my tough training on Strava, like train how

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you fight. You know, it makes everything feel

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easier. And that's, I think I come, because I

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have a triathlon background too, and he's a professional

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mountain biker. I think he's really incorporating

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what I used to do with the brick training. And,

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you know, doing some of that with the rucking

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has really paid off. Of all the workouts that

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y 'all are doing, what non -rucking workout are

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you doing that provides the most benefit for

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you? Ooh, great question. Or is there? It's just,

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they're all complimentary maybe. You know, he,

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and it's something I never liked and I wouldn't

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wish on anybody, but. He's had me up to doing

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about half mile repeats of 50 pound over the

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head with 50 pounds on my rock, uh, with a, with

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a dumbbell. And that's just been a mental mindfuck,

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like carrying a dumbbell overhead with a rock

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and you're just, you're counterbalancing everything

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and you come back and now you're doing it on

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the other side and then you're doing it just

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a single, the single movements I think have been

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really beneficial because it's just, it's exposing.

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one side or the other. And then just again and

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again and again. That's been really hard. Obviously,

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that's with a ruck. What's one training principle

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that's universal to someone that's training for

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a 5 -mile ruck versus an 80 -mile ruck? You know,

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man, I think you've said it. We're going to probably

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be the dead horse with everything you've presented

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prior to this podcast. You've got to keep it

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simple. You start light, especially if you're

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getting into it. And then figure out the interval

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that works for you for the time you're going

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out. It starts with just walking the five miles.

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And then with half the load that you're going

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to race in. And then building that and then start

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incorporating, okay, maybe a minute I walk and

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two minutes I run or vice versa. And then start

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getting into specific distances. A quarter mile

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I'm walking, a quarter mile I'm running. And

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then just start. seeing what works, what doesn't,

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and then shrinking those numbers to, uh, to get

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to your race point or your goals. I, you know,

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Giovanni is sticking out to me. Uh, he mentioned

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Deca this morning and that's what I work for.

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And, uh, you know, I always tell people on site,

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what's your, what's your, uh, we call it slick

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without the ruck, right? So what's your slick

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time for Deca and then what's your ruck time.

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And if they don't have it, I always, or one of,

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if they don't have one or the other, I always

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say, go after the slick or go after the ruck.

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So you have those two numbers in your head and

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then you shrink those two, you know, and that's,

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that's really like the ultimate goal is how do

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we, how do we get better at both of these? But

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now we know we have two, uh, you know, bookends

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and you just shrink that number in the middle.

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Yeah. That's a good way to frame it. I like that.

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Um, switching to talking about gear, what rucksack

00:20:12.980 --> 00:20:15.400
are you going to be using? Man, this is, this

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has been really hard because I've had a lot of

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companies, uh, send me the rucks and I've tried

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and. You know, so many amazing features with

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a lot of the packs I've worked with. And, you

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know, just because GoRuck is kind of like monopolized,

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you use this ruck for our events and a lot of

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the events I've gone through for many years now,

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that's all I've been using. So it's really been

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tough for me to jump into a new ruck when that

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rucker, the 20 liter rucker, has been... like

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a part of my body for so long that my body just

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is not receptive to something new quite yet for

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this journey. And, uh, you know, a couple have

00:21:02.299 --> 00:21:04.920
been close, you know, wild gym I think is right

00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.559
there with a, with a feather ruck and then frontline

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just has a couple more adjustments. And I think

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they're there as well. Just a lot of other companies

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are more for like multi -day backpacking, like

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camping stuff. That's, I wouldn't use a rucker

00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.940
for that. I like to have things accessible and

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pockets everywhere, but. For this, I mean, we're

00:21:22.420 --> 00:21:25.000
trying to be as slick as possible without flopping

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all over the place. But we're going to do two

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of those, two ruckers, alternate every, we're

00:21:29.640 --> 00:21:33.039
calling it lap, every 4 .2 miles. Yeah, I mean,

00:21:33.059 --> 00:21:35.220
you use what works for you. You've already established

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that. You know, the rucker, which is an extension

00:21:37.900 --> 00:21:39.759
of your body at this point, is something you're

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comfortable with, so that definitely makes sense

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that you're just going to continue with that.

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More with Mark in just a moment, including how

00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:49.740
he approaches recovery and his philosophy on

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competition. But I want to take a quick break

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to say thanks for listening to the podcast. Please

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text this episode with a fellow rucker that might

00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:58.519
find it interesting or a friend that could benefit

00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:00.619
from rucking. Sharing this episode would help

00:22:00.619 --> 00:22:02.960
the show grow and help more people improve their

00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:07.759
health and their lives. Okay, back to it. I want

00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:10.420
to move on to recovery. How do you recover from

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an 80 -mile ruck? What do you do differently?

00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:17.099
uh after 80 miles than you know five miles i

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don't i don't think i'll do anything different

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except walk the way i walk uh everything i mean

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well obviously i'm not gonna i'm not gonna be

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leaving my garage at home and then coming back

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to my garage at home where all my stuff is this

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is gonna be a few days on the road to get to

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the venue to figure everything out to do the

00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:40.140
event to come back to nothing there's there's

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gonna be nothing that i'm used to i mean i'll

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have my Fresh in mood, I'll have a gun. But that's

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pretty much it. There might be some people on

00:22:48.240 --> 00:22:50.359
site that can work me out a little bit, but that's

00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:52.960
it. And ultimately, I really don't care because

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I'm going to be in freaking cloud nine. It got

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done. All the stress is off my plate. I'm going

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to go take a hot shower, eat some good chow,

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have a great night, and then head back with my

00:23:02.779 --> 00:23:05.119
family and just enjoy the time back on the road.

00:23:05.579 --> 00:23:07.740
But yeah, I don't think anything's really going

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to change. I might need a wheelchair or some

00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.349
crutches, but I've also done... I've also done

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80, not with a 40, but it was under a different

00:23:17.690 --> 00:23:20.769
circumstance. There was pouring rain where everybody

00:23:20.769 --> 00:23:23.630
basically just went inside and stopped running,

00:23:23.710 --> 00:23:27.069
and I just kept running. I had no crew. Nothing

00:23:27.069 --> 00:23:29.849
good was happening. I still hit 80 and won the

00:23:29.849 --> 00:23:34.309
event, but that number doesn't seem untouchable

00:23:34.309 --> 00:23:37.789
to me. It seems like, okay, that's why we put

00:23:37.789 --> 00:23:40.970
the 100 out there. I feel pretty confident that's

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going to happen. And if you feel confident that

00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:46.519
you can get something, why just settle for that?

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It's like entering a race where the first thing

00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:52.579
you think is, all right, who else is going to

00:23:52.579 --> 00:23:54.740
be there? And if you're saying, oh, that guy's

00:23:54.740 --> 00:23:56.240
going to beat me right off the bat and you don't

00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:57.900
sign up for it because he's going to be there,

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what does that say about you or your mentality?

00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:04.079
You should be attacking that, right? No, it doesn't

00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.480
matter who's there. That's what I always told

00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.480
my athletes. It doesn't matter who's there because

00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.000
if you want to win this, you're going to freaking

00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.680
win. If you want to achieve this, you want to

00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:14.119
finish this, you will do it. Don't care about

00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.099
anybody else. This is always a race versus you

00:24:16.099 --> 00:24:18.980
versus you and your time and how you feel afterwards.

00:24:19.420 --> 00:24:21.000
How is that compared to all the training, all

00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.539
the hours, all the time away from family you

00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:26.940
put in, right? That's what it's all about. So

00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:29.240
that's exactly one of two things that I've noticed

00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.920
about you and from my research. First one is

00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:33.740
you don't have excuses. You figure it out, you

00:24:33.740 --> 00:24:36.740
get it done. The second one is when you are in

00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:39.450
these endurance races or events, It just seems

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like the competitors aren't necessarily competitors.

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They're almost like co -athletes. I don't know

00:24:45.069 --> 00:24:46.529
what you would call it, but it seems like your

00:24:46.529 --> 00:24:48.750
mindset going into these competitions is you're

00:24:48.750 --> 00:24:51.069
doing it for another reason than just to beat

00:24:51.069 --> 00:24:54.650
other people. I saw, I guess I saw someone from

00:24:54.650 --> 00:24:57.569
the UK doing, he attempted the world record.

00:24:57.630 --> 00:25:00.630
I think he ended up around 67 miles and you were

00:25:00.630 --> 00:25:03.140
like. pumping them up you're almost like giving

00:25:03.140 --> 00:25:05.339
them encouragement and then you know Giovanni

00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:07.759
had mentioned he was at a DECA event he chose

00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.700
to do it with the rucksack and I think you were

00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:12.299
in the competition with them instead of viewing

00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:14.640
you know him as competition you were like you

00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.420
were giving them pointers like hey you're you're

00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:18.160
currently in 10th you got behind you's 11th you

00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.420
keep him off you got top 10 finish yeah 100 %

00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:23.839
no no no so yeah all right so it's different

00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.279
scenarios again like DECA you got to understand

00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.119
like that's first and foremost that's my job

00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:31.000
so I go there I'm traveling I'm working, which

00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.619
is all physical, setting it up, late hours sometimes,

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.119
most times, you know, in an early morning. And,

00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.279
you know, then a few of us, most of us decide

00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.700
to race. And you can't really take it seriously

00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:46.819
because we're not going into there fresh at all.

00:25:47.259 --> 00:25:51.140
You know, we're depleted. When you say that,

00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.720
you're like, okay, I'm depleted. I'm tired. I'm

00:25:53.720 --> 00:25:58.819
already sore. It's training. So when you're training,

00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:02.859
especially with others, why not help them? And

00:26:02.859 --> 00:26:05.180
for me in that scenario, I obviously finished

00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:09.119
it. I ran back to him. And as soon as I'm done,

00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:11.720
I love to see the competition. If I'm not racing,

00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.559
I'm pumping everybody up. You've got to get him.

00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:17.640
He's coming. He's in zone three. And I'm just

00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.720
running around, just encouraging that friendly

00:26:20.720 --> 00:26:22.980
competition all over the place. And like he said,

00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:25.769
and like other athletes have always said, Man,

00:26:25.769 --> 00:26:28.190
thank you so much for that push because a lot

00:26:28.190 --> 00:26:32.250
of us, just by nature, we like to be in our packs.

00:26:32.430 --> 00:26:35.049
We like to be in our groups. And that little

00:26:35.049 --> 00:26:38.650
bit of encouragement unleashes something inside

00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:42.130
each one of us and unlocks that secret level.

00:26:42.809 --> 00:26:46.369
It unlocks that new ability that we didn't know

00:26:46.369 --> 00:26:48.869
was there. And when it comes out, it's like a

00:26:48.869 --> 00:26:51.710
shot of adrenaline and you're just like freaking

00:26:51.710 --> 00:26:54.690
superhero. And it's just a really good feeling.

00:26:55.289 --> 00:26:57.529
If you can get that out of somebody and have

00:26:57.529 --> 00:27:00.190
them experience it for the first time or for

00:27:00.190 --> 00:27:02.930
a new time that they haven't had it for a while,

00:27:03.049 --> 00:27:05.630
it's always the same outcome. Like, thanks, man.

00:27:05.690 --> 00:27:08.490
I really appreciate that push. And it's just

00:27:08.490 --> 00:27:11.450
really cool to see. Yeah, I think the world of

00:27:11.450 --> 00:27:13.170
sport competition definitely needs more people

00:27:13.170 --> 00:27:15.150
that have that mindset. Absolutely. I know that

00:27:15.150 --> 00:27:19.049
the smallest gesture on the course goes so far,

00:27:19.170 --> 00:27:21.369
especially in endurance events, even from strangers.

00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:25.660
That goes on and off the course. That should

00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:28.559
be spread worldwide. You're right. If it's on

00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.380
the course, it should be a guaranteed in life

00:27:30.380 --> 00:27:34.400
because the world is fucking crazy. And, you

00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.460
know, if you can do any good to support, help,

00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.960
you know, I don't want to be kind, but because

00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.440
we all have different levels of support, but,

00:27:43.460 --> 00:27:46.240
you know, simple, kind gestures on a daily basis.

00:27:46.700 --> 00:27:49.559
I mean, it just goes so far. And then, you know,

00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:51.759
another one of your podcasts, you're just talking.

00:27:52.220 --> 00:27:54.599
in the bathroom just by wearing the same shirt

00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:56.500
and you start getting into these conversations

00:27:56.500 --> 00:27:58.740
and you realize the connection was for a purpose,

00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:02.619
I just love that interaction as well when it

00:28:02.619 --> 00:28:05.420
comes. And it comes a lot. You just have to allow

00:28:05.420 --> 00:28:07.839
it to come to you. And then the connections you

00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.160
make and then you connect others, it's just a

00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:12.960
beautiful, powerful thing we have the ability

00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.619
to do in this world. I really like that and that

00:28:15.619 --> 00:28:19.059
really ties in with Oscar Mike's. I feel like

00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:20.460
this is a good time to talk about that. So can

00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:22.440
you tell us about the Oscar Mike Foundation and

00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:28.539
what it means to you? Man, I wish I knew more.

00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.319
And that's me saying I wish I was on the inside

00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:34.980
working with them side by side on a daily basis.

00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.700
Because I feel like once this event is finished,

00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:42.180
that's the pursuit that I'm going to take. And

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:43.640
I've had these conversations with them. I think

00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:45.240
it's just really like, let's get this done first.

00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.200
I just, I feel they came into my life and without

00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.400
going deep into it really saved me in a way.

00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.980
And again, all for the right reasons. So it's

00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:01.299
my way to get back. You know, I feel like there's

00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:03.240
more that I can do than just run around in circles.

00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.079
And that's kind of what I want to pursue. And

00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:09.079
I feel like that's what this is all about. You

00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:13.339
know, besides talking about the lack of knowledge

00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:15.400
and support the military provides you when you

00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.460
get out. it's really just like, okay, goodbye,

00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.240
good luck. And you're thrown into the real world.

00:29:21.460 --> 00:29:25.259
And a lot of us are lost and we don't stay on

00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.880
the move. And the ability to really get people

00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:32.859
on the move and to realize there's more that

00:29:32.859 --> 00:29:36.200
you can do, more that can be done. Your journey

00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.660
doesn't have to end despite your disabilities,

00:29:38.779 --> 00:29:42.019
despite your depression, your PTSD, whatever

00:29:42.019 --> 00:29:44.980
it is. There's always something else because

00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:47.190
life's a puzzle. We just need to figure it out

00:29:47.190 --> 00:29:49.890
or we need some help figuring it out. And that's

00:29:49.890 --> 00:29:51.329
what I feel like the mission is all about to

00:29:51.329 --> 00:29:55.529
me. So Oscar Mike Foundation, it provides services

00:29:55.529 --> 00:29:58.029
to injured veterans. Can you describe some of

00:29:58.029 --> 00:30:00.730
the services or programs that they offer? Yeah.

00:30:00.750 --> 00:30:04.730
So they're huge on their rugby team, which is

00:30:04.730 --> 00:30:07.789
like battle royale on wheelchairs. I think it's

00:30:07.789 --> 00:30:12.579
awesome. At some point, the whole six months

00:30:12.579 --> 00:30:15.460
with them has flown by. We were going to have

00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:19.640
me go out there and do this, a bunch of things

00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:21.700
in the wheelchair. We'll just save that. And

00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:24.180
that's still to come down the road. Cool. I'll

00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:28.740
look forward to that. The biggest mission with

00:30:28.740 --> 00:30:32.839
this specific year or endeavor is to create the

00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.099
world's greatest facility for disabled veterans.

00:30:35.380 --> 00:30:38.359
And we're really trying to do the whole train

00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.630
-the -trainers scenario. You come in there and

00:30:40.630 --> 00:30:42.089
you have a piece of equipment that's specific

00:30:42.089 --> 00:30:44.750
to a disabled veteran, whatever it may be, that

00:30:44.750 --> 00:30:46.589
you don't normally see in a gym, but is very

00:30:46.589 --> 00:30:49.789
specific to what their needs and wants are. Well,

00:30:49.829 --> 00:30:52.250
now you can go in there and get trained of how

00:30:52.250 --> 00:30:53.750
to do that and then become a trainer yourself

00:30:53.750 --> 00:30:57.329
and show others. And this facility is supposed

00:30:57.329 --> 00:31:01.690
to be state -of -the -art everything. And for

00:31:01.690 --> 00:31:04.170
me to jump in at a time, coincidentally, where

00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:07.569
they were getting basically booed out of town

00:31:07.569 --> 00:31:10.259
with their proposition. of this is what we'd

00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:14.039
like to do i was just like blown away and that's

00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.460
that's where you know the underdog came out and

00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:20.000
was like no we're fighting this um yeah i just

00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.420
i couldn't believe that people would just throw

00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:26.339
that like let's not even support that i i don't

00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:29.319
i'm just not understanding that at all yeah for

00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.059
the listener the oscar mike foundation has a

00:31:31.059 --> 00:31:32.599
really cool youtube channel i'd probably suggest

00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:33.779
you go check it out there's a there's i think

00:31:33.779 --> 00:31:35.779
it's a six -part series and what we're talking

00:31:35.779 --> 00:31:39.230
about is in the first video It kind of shows

00:31:39.230 --> 00:31:41.069
it as a city council meeting. Is that what it

00:31:41.069 --> 00:31:43.609
was? Yep. It was something like that where, where

00:31:43.609 --> 00:31:45.849
they're, um, you know, they're proposing plans

00:31:45.849 --> 00:31:49.369
for the new foundation and a majority of the

00:31:49.369 --> 00:31:52.529
attendees at this congregation were pretty vocal

00:31:52.529 --> 00:31:55.150
about them not wanting it in their, in their

00:31:55.150 --> 00:31:57.069
neighborhood, which I don't understand why it

00:31:57.069 --> 00:31:58.730
has such a great mission. Why wouldn't you want

00:31:58.730 --> 00:32:01.869
that in your backyard? But yeah, I was, that's

00:32:01.869 --> 00:32:04.349
appalling. I was, I was really, really disappointed

00:32:04.349 --> 00:32:08.450
to hear those people voice those opinions. Where

00:32:08.450 --> 00:32:11.430
can listeners go and support you and donate to

00:32:11.430 --> 00:32:14.130
the Oscar Mike Foundation? Just go right to the

00:32:14.130 --> 00:32:16.769
page. It should be right in the main page there.

00:32:17.269 --> 00:32:19.250
Awesome. Yeah, I'll include a link in the show

00:32:19.250 --> 00:32:21.410
notes. And we're going to get into the last segment

00:32:21.410 --> 00:32:23.490
of rapid fire questions that we do on the podcast.

00:32:23.750 --> 00:32:25.470
I just want to say before doing that, Mark, I

00:32:25.470 --> 00:32:26.750
have a tremendous amount of respect for you.

00:32:26.769 --> 00:32:28.089
I think what you're doing is phenomenal. And

00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:29.609
thanks for sharing your stories. Thanks for sharing

00:32:29.609 --> 00:32:31.730
your insight. And the best of luck to you for

00:32:31.730 --> 00:32:34.619
your world record attempt. Yeah. I'm just, I

00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:35.859
was thrilled to have you on. I just appreciate

00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:37.799
you taking the time to speak with me today. Thanks.

00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.599
I love it, man. However we can help, right? All

00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.480
right. So rapid fire round. So just a few questions

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:46.000
here, just quick answers, whatever comes, whatever

00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.240
jumped out at you. If you can only rock one trail

00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:49.559
for the rest of your life, what trail would that

00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.900
be? Treks. Where does that? If you know, you

00:32:53.900 --> 00:32:56.119
know. Okay. I'll leave it at it. What's your

00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:58.779
favorite non -rocking workout? Non -rocking workout.

00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:04.349
Oh man. Rusters. Okay, okay. And what do you

00:33:04.349 --> 00:33:05.990
listen to when you're rucking? Because I can

00:33:05.990 --> 00:33:08.329
imagine you've had a lot of time on your rucks.

00:33:08.369 --> 00:33:11.109
What are you listening to? Yeah, if I'm walking,

00:33:11.309 --> 00:33:16.289
audiobooks. If I'm running, and I've only really

00:33:16.289 --> 00:33:19.750
put headphones in because I get up super early

00:33:19.750 --> 00:33:21.569
and if my wife needs help with the kids, she'll

00:33:21.569 --> 00:33:23.650
call. So that's why I have my headphones on.

00:33:24.130 --> 00:33:26.670
But typically I'll listen to, this is a mix of

00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:29.690
music. I'm going to have an interesting mix for

00:33:29.690 --> 00:33:34.900
this event. Yeah. Are you making it or is someone

00:33:34.900 --> 00:33:37.599
making it for you? No, I made it. And it's going

00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.299
to be to everybody. So it's family -friendly

00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:44.279
kind of music that starts in the 60s to current

00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.019
times. But you might see some Backstreet Boys

00:33:47.019 --> 00:33:50.039
and Britney Spears and then jump to the Serbs.

00:33:51.140 --> 00:33:54.380
It's going to be a shocking value. That's awesome.

00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.819
Last one. What is your bucket list rocking trail

00:33:57.819 --> 00:34:00.900
or just region or area of the planet that you'd

00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:05.240
like to rock? I love to rock across country.

00:34:06.099 --> 00:34:09.480
I think that's just kind of like my second retirement

00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.260
goal. Yeah, I think so. If you can climb every

00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.239
mountain in the world, I would love to do that.

00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:18.280
But I think rocking across the country would

00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:20.760
be something special in which you meet a ton

00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.059
of people and just have a really good time. And

00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:27.300
obviously self -support. Yeah, that's awesome.

00:34:27.420 --> 00:34:29.519
Have you seen what... Terrence Ogden is doing

00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.280
in Texas recently. He's doing 1 ,000 miles across

00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.619
the state of Texas. I think that's pretty cool.

00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:36.199
Yeah, yeah. That's something special for sure.

00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:38.980
Pretty wild. Well, Mark, thanks again. Really

00:34:38.980 --> 00:34:40.380
appreciate your time. Thanks for joining me today.

00:34:41.099 --> 00:34:43.940
Oh, thank you. All right, that wraps up my conversation

00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.699
with Mark. You can help support Mark and Oscar

00:34:46.699 --> 00:34:48.880
Mike by providing a donation on the Oscar Mike

00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.659
website, which is oscarmike .org. You can connect

00:34:52.659 --> 00:34:55.460
with Mark on Instagram at Wrecking100. I'll drop

00:34:55.460 --> 00:34:57.380
a link to both of these in the show notes. And

00:34:57.380 --> 00:34:58.699
if you want to reach out to me, head on over

00:34:58.699 --> 00:35:01.800
to theruckersedge .com or on Instagram at theruckersedgepod.

00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.239
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00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.780
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00:35:09.579 --> 00:35:11.400
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00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:12.380
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